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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: AK Timber Tramp] #8314049
01/16/25 01:16 PM
01/16/25 01:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Northern Maine
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Northern Maine
Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Yeah I've never gotten how most people understand so little about the world around them. One of my wife's cousins (who bow hunts moose every year) told me that trapping is a lazy, cowardly way to hunt. I explained that he was way off, the purpose was because those traps can be there working 24 hours a day, I cannot. I also invited him along so he could see just how "lazy" trapping is (he didn't make it 3 hours, I had to haul him into town)

laugh


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314058
01/16/25 01:37 PM
01/16/25 01:37 PM
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NW PA
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washxc Offline
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NW PA
There has been an increase in the number of anti's and "hunters" flooding trapping pages with comments like "i'm a hunter but trapping is cruel". Many of these are being generated by AI. Most are not real people, or are fictional people created by anti's. Can you imagine the mental health problem of someone with 50 social media profiles?

The goal is to flood these pages with the same few themes so that it looks like more of the public agrees with them. They also want to bait you in to saying cruel or distasteful things. This is 21st century propoganda, not at all dissimilar to the "russian" election interference.

My advice is, don't fight with them. Point out that their profile looks like it's generated by AI. Offer them a link to mental health treatment (www.betterhelp.com). Let them know that narcism is a mental health condition that can be treated, there is hope!

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314060
01/16/25 01:40 PM
01/16/25 01:40 PM
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williamsburg ks
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Better plan is dont get on facebook


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314064
01/16/25 01:43 PM
01/16/25 01:43 PM
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NW PA
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NW PA
Danny, as unfortunate as it is, that's where people go to get information.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314071
01/16/25 01:47 PM
01/16/25 01:47 PM
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Garden,Michigan
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The dog hunter vs.trapper is an old story that will never go away,its the big game/small game hunter that critisizes trapping in the media that's aggravating.How most animals are all taken by one shot kills,very few animals are wounded and lost,blah blah blah.I remember when the fight on trapping was ongoing In Arizona how the antis were gleeful a number of hunters had joined their cause.Pathetic.

Last edited by Buck (Zandra); 01/16/25 01:48 PM.

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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #8314089
01/16/25 02:08 PM
01/16/25 02:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Northern Maine
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Northern Maine
Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
The dog hunter vs.trapper is an old story that will never go away,its the big game/small game hunter that critisizes trapping in the media that's aggravating.How most animals are all taken by one shot kills,very few animals are wounded and lost,blah blah blah.I remember when the fight on trapping was ongoing In Arizona how the antis were gleeful a number of hunters had joined their cause.Pathetic.

Yep pathetic


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Bruce T] #8314106
01/16/25 02:23 PM
01/16/25 02:23 PM
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North Pole, Alaska
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It is strange.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: CJonesFTA] #8314111
01/16/25 02:27 PM
01/16/25 02:27 PM
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NE
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NE
Originally Posted by CJonesFTA
It is a very big divide in the upland community, and I think it is mostly do to lack of education. As a bird dog owner, and a trapper... it's pretty simple to see the positive connection and how trappers can 100% directly and positively affect bird numbers. Wild and stocked. But most can't get past their dog getting caught in a foothold or a snare. It's a bit education on both sides, but most trappers do think about where they set, and think about other outdoor participants. I often share the video the FTA has on our YT page about releasing your pet from a trap. I always carry wire cutters when I'm out with my dogs, more so because I'm afraid of old farm debris and fence lines on a lot of our public lands.


I am on a lot of upland hunting pages, and as mentioned above, this group of hunters is the group I find to be mostly anti-trapping. The fear of their very expensive dog winding up in a snare or bodygrip is concerning for them. Unfortunately, it is the few trappers that don't abide by regulations that have given upland hunters a bad taste in their mouth (snare or too large of bodygrips on public land, etc).

As a guy that does both, I also almost always carry a wire cutter with me, and if I forget it, I keep my dogs very close to me at all times.

The hatred towards trappers from upland hunters, outside of those issues, is baffling too me. Outside of habitat loss, one massive issue upland game is facing is the lack of nest predator control anymore due to fur prices being down. The number of nest predators anymore pose a HUGE threat during nesting season.

Big game hunters hating trappers DEFINITELY doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: conibearguy] #8314132
01/16/25 02:44 PM
01/16/25 02:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Northern Maine
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Northern Maine
Originally Posted by conibearguy
Big game hunters hating trappers DEFINITELY doesn't make sense to me.

One word.EGO


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314142
01/16/25 02:53 PM
01/16/25 02:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
MN
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Donnersurvivor Online sick
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MN
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart. Letting a dog out of a foothold is no big deal but there needs to be a level of care when conis and snares get involved.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8314143
01/16/25 02:57 PM
01/16/25 02:57 PM
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Iowa
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Iowa
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart.


They have been (and are still) doing this A LOT for many years here. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the laws and use a little common sense.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: ~ADC~] #8314147
01/16/25 03:05 PM
01/16/25 03:05 PM
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MN
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Donnersurvivor Online sick
trapper
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MN
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart.


They have been (and are still) doing this A LOT for many years here. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the laws and use a little common sense.


One dog gets whacked in a public ditch in a 220 and it's going to be goodbye Conis out of water. Dog owners/hunters would be more likely to support trapping if they didn't have to worry about Conis in the ditch imo.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314160
01/16/25 03:17 PM
01/16/25 03:17 PM
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Magna, Utah
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When I was doing ADC around the Great Salt Lake here for several bird game hunting outfits, it was amazing how many animals I had shot in my sets from the bird hunters, some took the whole set up plus the animal, others left a not wanting to know where the rest of my sets were, LOL suffered this for four years, dumb me !

I met several of these clubs and explained why I was there, at their request and my payment was to use the fur for my hobby work, didn't matter they wanted to know where all my sets were and when I checked and they were just helping me in doing my job.

So I told them don't need any help, but I will charge your club and others now for every set messed with or animal gone, whether it's shot or missing, oh they screamed they did not even need my help then and just leave, I did so, and always stopped by the owners and asked how things were going as I still had lots of open ground around them I kept on using.

They always said they could never keep birds on the ranches after I left because of the predators, told him well I tried and did my best to convince your hunters to not mess with anything, and they all said we did as well, even told them they would rotate area's to hunt, but the hunters would not even do that.

Now all them clubs are gone cause the hunters said it cost to much to hunt birds out there and they couldn't figure out why !

Self greed and dumb people not knowing about how anything works is always the end of everything !


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8314184
01/16/25 03:36 PM
01/16/25 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart. Letting a dog out of a foothold is no big deal but there needs to be a level of care when conis and snares get involved.


Never any mention of responsibility of the dogs owners when this is brought up. Strange. I witness literally hundreds of trespassing dogs every fall here, nearly all are the road hunters dogs left to run in front of the hunters slow rolling rig as they are “hunting”. LOL. The law here states that it is legal to hunt from the ROW, but birds must be flushed and shot in that area/airspace. I can count on one hand how many birds I’ve witnessed being shot within the ROW. They are almost always shot over private land and then retrieved by their mutt from there. I have no cares what the roadies whine about as I’ve had dozens of my sets messed with and animals shotgunned from them.. sorry, no sympathy here. I strictly follow all laws and never encroach on dwellings. Show me a puke trapper doing dumb stuff, and I’ll show you ten hunters doing the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I’m tired of our always having to apologize and concede rights of ours.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314195
01/16/25 03:45 PM
01/16/25 03:45 PM
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Northern Maine
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Northern Maine
First for me.Never heard of bird hunting your bird dogs from the road while driving along.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: TC1] #8314207
01/16/25 03:53 PM
01/16/25 03:53 PM
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USA-WI
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USA-WI
Originally Posted by TC1
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart. Letting a dog out of a foothold is no big deal but there needs to be a level of care when conis and snares get involved.


Never any mention of responsibility of the dogs owners when this is brought up. Strange. I witness literally hundreds of trespassing dogs every fall here, nearly all are the road hunters dogs left to run in front of the hunters slow rolling rig as they are “hunting”. LOL. The law here states that it is legal to hunt from the ROW, but birds must be flushed and shot in that area/airspace. I can count on one hand how many birds I’ve witnessed being shot within the ROW. They are almost always shot over private land and then retrieved by their mutt from there. I have no cares what the roadies whine about as I’ve had dozens of my sets messed with and animals shotgunned from them.. sorry, no sympathy here. I strictly follow all laws and never encroach on dwellings. Show me a puke trapper doing dumb stuff, and I’ll show you ten hunters doing the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I’m tired of our always having to apologize and concede rights of ours.


That's not exactly correct. The hunter must be within the rights-of-way and the game must originate from the road rights-of-way or be flying over the rights-of-way.

Last edited by Kre; 01/16/25 03:55 PM.
Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: AK Timber Tramp] #8314264
01/16/25 05:01 PM
01/16/25 05:01 PM
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GA
Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Yeah I've never gotten how most people understand so little about the world around them. One of my wife's cousins (who bow hunts moose every year) told me that trapping is a lazy, cowardly way to hunt. I explained that he was way off, the purpose was because those traps can be there working 24 hours a day, I cannot. I also invited him along so he could see just how "lazy" trapping is (he didn't make it 3 hours, I had to haul him into town)

Trapping is lazy. That's classic. Not sure what kind of line you run but I'd love to see that clown get up before the crack of dawn and follow a long liner around all day so he can see first hand what a lazy sport it is.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: TC1] #8314278
01/16/25 05:12 PM
01/16/25 05:12 PM
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Garden,Michigan
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Originally Posted by TC1
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart. Letting a dog out of a foothold is no big deal but there needs to be a level of care when conis and snares get involved.


Never any mention of responsibility of the dogs owners when this is brought up. Strange. I witness literally hundreds of trespassing dogs every fall here, nearly all are the road hunters dogs left to run in front of the hunters slow rolling rig as they are “hunting”. LOL. The law here states that it is legal to hunt from the ROW, but birds must be flushed and shot in that area/airspace. I can count on one hand how many birds I’ve witnessed being shot within the ROW. They are almost always shot over private land and then retrieved by their mutt from there. I have no cares what the roadies whine about as I’ve had dozens of my sets messed with and animals shotgunned from them.. sorry, no sympathy here. I strictly follow all laws and never encroach on dwellings. Show me a puke trapper doing dumb stuff, and I’ll show you ten hunters doing the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I’m tired of our always having to apologize and concede rights of ours.
You hit the nail on the head,especially with that last sentence.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: washxc] #8314288
01/16/25 05:23 PM
01/16/25 05:23 PM
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Vernal, Utah, USA
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Originally Posted by washxc
Danny, as unfortunate as it is, that's where people go to get information.


Misinformation.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314290
01/16/25 05:29 PM
01/16/25 05:29 PM
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Northern Maine
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Northern Maine
Anytime we give up rights of ours or apologize, regardless it be trapping,hunting,or fishing its never good.


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