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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314737
01/17/25 09:14 AM
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Excerpt from the State of Michigan Code-
“Disposal tile should be laid so that a 12-inch earth cover is provided. Under no condition shall the tile line be laid below the groundwater level.
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Mich. Admin. Code R. 325.423‘“

One reason why septic systems (field drains) are often laid literally on top of the ground and then covered over. The “frost line” for our Code of Construction is 42”! As with trapping never believe everything is the same everywhere!

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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: Lugnut] #8314772
01/17/25 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Snyde901

Code or not we always bury anything that can freeze below frost line to avoid problems like the OP & others have had. It also lets you drive over stuff without worrying about crushing.


The frost line for building in PA is 36" below grade. You'd never get an in-ground system passed here if you put it that deep or deeper.

Different inspectors I guess, what do you guys do if your lateral comes out below basement floor say 6' or 8' below grade?

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: Snyde901] #8314796
01/17/25 10:21 AM
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In the basement below grade you would need a lift pump.

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: mskrtman] #8314811
01/17/25 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mskrtman
In the basement below grade you would need a lift pump.


X 2


Eh...wot?

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314860
01/17/25 11:49 AM
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Yeah, no way that would work here either Lug. Lines would be in the water table most years. As well as being way too deep for evaporation.

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314866
01/17/25 12:01 PM
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Soooooooooooo 330 are you still froze?

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: Trapset] #8314870
01/17/25 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapset
Yeah, no way that would work here either Lug. Lines would be in the water table most years. As well as being way too deep for evaporation.


I think that's why code calls for relatively shallow drain fields and only topsoil (no non-organic subsoil) over the crushed stone, for evaporation.


Eh...wot?

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314883
01/17/25 12:46 PM
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Vast majority of new sewers are mounds in this country. I typically quit mowing ours in the fall for some cover for winter.


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314884
01/17/25 12:49 PM
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The frost line for building in PA is 36" below grade. You'd never get an in-ground system passed here if you put it that deep or deeper.



Your ground freezes 36" in deep? I know you guys have colder for longer than we do but dang. 330 don't have a clue how deep your lines are . BUT I can tell you one thing. IF you have caps off and air is going to be able to get in and out of your field plus it's really cold you are asking for problems...

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314889
01/17/25 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
the leach lines ,some were missing caps


330 you got an easy fix. Get you a big tub to boiling on your turkey burner. When it starts boiling just pour it down each of those cleanouts (you call them inspection pipes) Put the cap back on to keep the heat in . EASY FIX

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: jbyrd63] #8314894
01/17/25 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
The frost line for building in PA is 36" below grade. You'd never get an in-ground system passed here if you put it that deep or deeper.



Your ground freezes 36" in deep? I know you guys have colder for longer than we do but dang. 330 don't have a clue how deep your lines are . BUT I can tell you one thing. IF you have caps off and air is going to be able to get in and out of your field plus it's really cold you are asking for problems...


I've never seen frost anywhere near that deep, that's just the building code minimum that footers have to be located at.


Eh...wot?

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314907
01/17/25 01:33 PM
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I've seen those so called inspection pipes on drainfields. Not sure what their purpose is, sometimes they're capped sometimes not and they are full of dirt. I don't think they're attached to the drain field line at all but just put there to mark the lines.

Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: ceelmo.trap] #8314927
01/17/25 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ceelmo.trap
Soooooooooooo 330 are you still froze?


Seems to be working better since I covered all the holes

Tank is low level [Linked Image]


I understand the sumac and two trees down there need cut.

i cannot find a pvc cover for the cement tank lid

for now it's heavy ml. plastic x4 thickness ans a hose clamped.


What if I ran my Turbo heater with ducting from the heater necked down into the Tank's 7" hole???


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314933
01/17/25 02:22 PM
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: white17] #8314940
01/17/25 02:57 PM
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I wish I could find one like this in my Area

Far East Central , Mn.

Thanks for trying Ken


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314942
01/17/25 02:59 PM
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What would happen if I used ducting from my diesel turbo heater down into the Tank itself?


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314949
01/17/25 03:13 PM
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How can you tell that those lines are frozen if they’re under ground?


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: Jurassic Park] #8314960
01/17/25 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
How can you tell that those lines are frozen if they’re under ground?

I looked down the clean outs and could see it frozen


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314962
01/17/25 03:31 PM
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I still want to know what would happen if I used seven inch ducting and came off my turbo heater and necked it down into the tank?


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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP [Re: 330-Trapper] #8314970
01/17/25 03:35 PM
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You had the tank pumped so it will work fine until the tank fills. There's got to be steam thawers in your area, the same guys that steam ice dams on roofs usually can steam sewer lines.

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