They use portatanks and sprinklers on remote cabins in the states too

they may TRAVEL at 60 mph within their flight envelope, but they won't be sent aloft in 75 mph winds.

so...soaking all of southern California before every potential wildfire. Dude!

When the gates of (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) open and the world is burning around you/us, does anyone actually think that they would stand there with a garden hose hooked to a sump pump drawing water out of the neighbors pool? I think not, It is easy for us keyboard warriors to say what we would do. I takes someone with a huge set to do that. I just pray that people were able to grab a few important things before they had to run.

I've actually seen more people do that than what you would think during my firefighting career. Wildland and structure fire both have their frustrating people to deal with. On the wildland side it's usually salty land owners that don't want fire crews on/near their land (even though we're there to help). On the structure side...let's just say you definitely have to clarify what they mean when they say "my baby is in there!"... I've run into more than one compromised structure looking for an infant that turned out to be a dog, cat, or one time a ferret. That'll make you wanna hurt someone lol

After the big "Blow Down" event on the Superior NF 25 years ago, many/most home owners and cabin owners installed sprinkler systems on the homes and out buildings power by propane pumps. When we had the Ham Lake fire, these sprinklers worked great due to essentially unlimited water from the lakes. The problem was the propane pumps were hooked to 20 pound tanks and only lasted a few hours. We spent 36 hours taking tanks from where the fire had already passed and moving them to ones the fire hadn't reached yet. We did find a few 100 pound tanks and they were gold!

The L A fire dept. budget is only 900 million, so I could see how they wouldn't have the resources, to be proactive

From what I understand,rich people lost homes worth millions.
You would think they would be smart enough to have a fire suppression system installed at those places in an area known for frequent wildfires.Instead of waiting for some city employee to show up to save your values.
Like I said it can only be attributable to the dumbing down of that particular society.

I never suggested soaking all of Southern California at all. Where did you get that from? They could create barriers in high risk areas. There's no need to soak everything. Those hills channel wind in very specific ways.

Wind flows in currents, not 1 continuous mass. Wind currents can run in totally different directions at different elevations. Birds are capable of finding a wind current going the way they want. People can easily do the same using equipment.

Keith

Make it scorched earth. They already did it Hawaii.

There's more going on in California than they let us know!
We can't be sure about anything yet!
Except they more than likely caused their own problems!

They needed some farmers to help them out, they pump their lagoons for miles through 1-2’ tough hoses, huge pumps that are made for pumping ugly stuff. Sure, salt water will be hard on everything, but what’s the alternative? Buy a new pump and have 2 on the beach as standby.
As for winds. Lots of fuel and high winds…..game over, Mother Natures in charge.
Ohh, on another note, are the fish OK? That’s what really matters anyways.

Bad fires every year year in CA. Hurricanes in coastal areas. Tornado prone areas. Floods in river plains. All uncontrollable by humans. You would think folks would have a plan for recovery.

Complete lack of common sense with the liberal leadership, spending their money on vanity projects instead of what needed done.


Just watched a guy who saved his and a couple of his neighbors houses In the middle of Altadena with buckets and water from swimming pools. His exact words......

"there was no water in the hydrants when the fire broke out"

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They retire at early 50s with 90% of pay and benifets over $260k.

Lets face it, liberals are problem causes more than solvers. Wall Street Journal had pages last week of stupidity, Californians have done to create this ticking time bomb. This is not California first time with this problem but no changes to there policies. Also said illegal immigrants camping in there woods are suspected of causing fires.

The weird thing is it was just a small fire.
It only burned 62 sq miles apparently and not one big fire but 3 or 4 spot fires.Should have been handled relatively easily if they had some resources ready for a fire.
For perspective,62 sq miles is less than 1/4 of a small RTL
We have fires way bigger here on a regular basis but there are assets available when values need protecting.many forest fires burn 10-20 times the size area of that little fire.
That fire should have had enough resources thrown at it to snuff it in the bud with the amount of values in that area.
Feel sorry for those who lost their lives,Some accountability is in order I would think.

That fuel load should have been addressed years ago.