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Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof #8316208
01/18/25 10:41 PM
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I know waxed dirt is the king but anyone use that bagged coal shale from no bs? Can you post a picture of it?

If it works well wouldn't any crushed stone work? Chicken grit, paver base anything crushed pretty fine

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316218
01/18/25 11:01 PM
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Don't use crushed limestone, it'll turn to concrete.


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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316221
01/18/25 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shorex4
I know waxed dirt is the king but anyone use that bagged coal shale from no bs? Can you post a picture of it?

If it works well wouldn't any crushed stone work? Chicken grit, paver base anything crushed pretty fine

Not every rock works, ohio coal shale will freeze.

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316362
01/19/25 02:25 AM
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Not all coal slack is good. The good stuff will shed water like a duck.
Also, it's easy to bed trapps in and it packs and settles heard making it seal out the moisture. Also making the trap more solid in the bed. It's nasty to work with. You will end up with black boogers.
Used to put up 4 to 5 hundred gallons every couple of years. grin


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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316479
01/19/25 09:30 AM
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I got a spot on a side of a hill that is coal and has large area of coal that is ground as fine as river sand. That stuff is excellent bedding product. I don't do much trap setting in freezing temps anymore. I can go there today with this -18 degree morning and gather the coal sand with my hands. Nevah freezes it seems.


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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316507
01/19/25 10:03 AM
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Didn’t have very good luck with it here. Bought some from local power plant years ago and it froze up like most materials I tried. Freeze thaw and frost here in late season is tough. Waxed dirt works best for me.
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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316657
01/19/25 12:59 PM
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Several guys that were at Coyote Days use it and swear by it. We're trying to find a good source.
They use it as trap bedding I believe.

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: wytex] #8316677
01/19/25 01:24 PM
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Used to fill an old pickup box made into a trailer with coal shale from different spots down between Medicine Bow and Hanna it was as good as some of the stuff that would come out of the Powder River Basin

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316693
01/19/25 01:38 PM
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Those coal vane spots of mine is very fine and the turkey and pheasants love it for dusting in the spring/summah.


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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Squirt] #8316696
01/19/25 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Squirt
Used to fill an old pickup box made into a trailer with coal shale from different spots down between Medicine Bow and Hanna it was as good as some of the stuff that would come out of the Powder River Basin

My understanding is that the powder river coal is mostly subbituminous coal and iowa does have some of those deposits as well

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8316706
01/19/25 01:51 PM
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Sorry I wasn’t very clear I guess all the shale I’ve used has come from Wyoming I will probably load up with some more when I go out for Coyote Days again also I never wanted to use the shale from around the power plants or after it was loaded on the rail cars because I was told it was treated with something to help control the dust

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316710
01/19/25 01:58 PM
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The trap bed stuff probably isnt gonna be the stuff they use in the plants if they can help it. The trap bed type is a lower grade coal that doesnt produce as much energy. Good way to tell if its the trap bed type is if its dull. Shiny coal is not good for it.

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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8316800
01/19/25 03:11 PM
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Coal shale they talked about at Coyote Days comes from beside the highway at coal seems, the stuff that sloughs off at road cuts.

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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: wytex] #8316993
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The coal seams are exposed all along highway 30 in Carbon County but I wouldn’t like getting it there without permission from Wydot I just got it along the 2 tracks where the ranchers had made cuts to cross draws with all the checker boarded land along the railroad it was easy find it on private land

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8317128
01/19/25 08:04 PM
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When I used it, way back when, I always applied the 50-50 coyote urine, glycerin mix.

Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8317163
01/19/25 08:19 PM
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It being dull do you mean bituminous coal, that would be soft and from the west, anthracite from the east is shiny and hard, here is a form of bituminous and quite a bit of the state has it underneath it.

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Re: Anyone use coal shale to freezeproof [Re: Shorex4] #8317203
01/19/25 08:34 PM
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Think the biggest reserve of Anthracite is up around Scranton PA, and a smaller reserve somewhere in Colorado.

I ran a coal boiler for 30 yrs, and Anthracite is high grade fuel...We mostly ran bituminous with it's lower btu, and high sulphur content. (cheaper).

Anthracite
Bituminous
Lignite
Peat


That descending order represents the carboneferous stages & quality of coal if my memory is correct.



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