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I hope this isn’t considered a political statement #8338765
02/11/25 02:01 AM
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If so, please delete it. Elon Musk said he discovered FEMA is giving 59 million dollars to New York City to house illegal Immigrants in luxury hotels. Apparently, FEMA immediately said they will cease doing it. Meanwhile, the citizens in North Carolina that were ravaged by the hurricane said FEMA is ignoring them for federal aid. If so this is a travesty.

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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338768
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A good portion of that 59 million dollars was used to house pregnant illegal aliens and to pay for the delivery and after care of their anchor babies. An entire, very large hotel was set aside to house illegal alien women who were 3 months pregnant or more.

The democrats intentionally flew pregnant illegal alien women to New York, directly from their South and Central American countries, so they could produce anchor babies.

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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338827
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Why should my tax dollars pay for people in the Carolinas or illegals in hotels?

If I choose to donate to the cause (which my business and I did for hurricane recovery) that is different story. But the federal government ripping me off so it can provide a safety net for those who choose not to provide for themselves is still just ripping me off.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338832
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BC, I'm sure you know, mutual insurance makes all home owners pay for disasters in areas we don't live in. We don't get a choice. Should people living in high risk areas pay a sir charge?

The illegal alien thing is a totally different situation. Should have never happened.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338860
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Sounds about right.I'm sure its being taken care of.


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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338877
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BC are you in favor of Trumps and Elon’s audit of the federal govt? FEMA is getting their audit next.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Blaine County] #8338901
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why should my tax dollars pay for people in the Carolinas or illegals in hotels?




The most un-American statement I've ever heard anyone make!

The people in the Carolinas are Americans!

Most Americans want to help other Americans in time of death and destruction...including most of us being OK with our tax dollars being used to help our fellow citizens in times of serious overwhelming need.

You're not really anti-tax...you are just throwing statements out there like this because of your incurable TDS.


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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338912
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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338923
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I watched FEMA handing out money to anyone that wanted it last summer after a pretty substantial flood, even though some just had wet carpet. Meanwhile, downstream, houses were wiped off the map and people got very little. Im sure its like this all over, all year long. Very poorly ran.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338928
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DWC I saw that here when the town of Quenemo got flooded some years back. No houses wiped off the map but who got what seemed to have no rhyme or reason


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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8338929
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And if a tornado devastates your area they shouldn't get assistance cause they should have prepared better...it's one of the few things the gov't is good for, but cut the waste and corruption.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Blaine County] #8338932
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why should my tax dollars pay for people in the Carolinas or illegals in hotels?

If I choose to donate to the cause (which my business and I did for hurricane recovery) that is different story. But the federal government ripping me off so it can provide a safety net for those who choose not to provide for themselves is still just ripping me off.



This is a very unpopular sentiment, but Davy Crockett, then US congress member, shared his thoughts on government spending:

"Mr. Speaker -- I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House; but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into argument to prove that Congress has no power under the Constitution to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. "Mr. Speaker, I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks." He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as no doubt it would, but for that speech, it received but a few votes and was lost. Like many others, I desired the passage of the bill, and felt outraged at its defeat. I determined that I would persuade my friend Crockett to move for a reconsideration the next day."

From : Davy Crockett

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8338946
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why should my tax dollars pay for people in the Carolinas or illegals in hotels?





Comparimg apples to cow manure really. So you are anti FEMA for all natural disasters or just flooding in general? Can you critical approach be applied for all tropical storm damage? Do you discount damage done by earthquakes, wild fires, tornadoes and ice storms too or just floods? Trying to figure out your position is all.

The casual brag of your charitable nature is duly noted though, at work we call that a "Look at me" moment, well done.

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8338954
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why should my tax dollars pay for people in the Carolinas or illegals in hotels?




The most un-American statement I've ever heard anyone make!

The people in the Carolinas are Americans!

Most Americans want to help other Americans in time of death and destruction...including most of us being OK with our tax dollars being used to help our fellow citizens in times of serious overwhelming need.

You're not really anti-tax...you are just throwing statements out there like this because of your incurable TDS.




Commie talk. Welfare mentality.

How much will you pay this year in taxes? Last year?

Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: marathonman] #8338955
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Originally Posted by marathonman
BC is a flamer


If you need help understanding BC, think of Adam Shift. A pencil neck weenie lawyer that's envious of those with power and money.


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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: gcs] #8338958
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Originally Posted by gcs
And if a tornado devastates your area they shouldn't get assistance cause they should have prepared better...it's one of the few things the gov't is good for, but cut the waste and corruption.


Correct. Pay for insurance. Save money. Be prepared. Don't expect a handout or others to rescue you.

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Sure, insurance, save money, thats great, I'm talking short term assistance immediately after the event... If that's too much for you I don't know what to say...

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Grandpa, if you really want to know how this migrant ( not supposed to be illegals ) grant program works, that was passed by congress, go to the FEMA website. Many grant programs are routinely mismanaged and or abused or frauded by Americans and non-Americans. If you want it to stop, end all the grant programs.

OR you can fill your brain with the collective knowledge of Tman members.


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Re: I hope this isn’t considered a political statement [Re: gcs] #8338975
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Originally Posted by gcs
Sure, insurance, save money, thats great, I'm talking short term assistance immediately after the event... If that's too much for you I don't know what to say...


I don't know what to say to others who don't get my simple position.

It's not the taxpayers problem that houses burn in California, floods happen in the Carolinas, hurricanes occur on the coast, tornados hit in Oklahoma or that illegals have no place to nest. It's also not the taxpayers responsibility to provide welfare in any form. Regarding disasters, I'm not talking about handing out water and blankets or providing security from looters and other criminal types. That is appropriate.

People should be charitable however and give as the can, but more importantly, as they choose.

I expect and respect self sufficiency. And, not getting shaken down by the government.

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Is everyone just mad illegals are geting the benefits frome fema and Americans are getting left out. WHO WOULD NOT BE!!

As unpopular as BC statement is use your head and stop running on emotional like a woman. Now break down what he said. Both are bad it's not the government job to steal from everyone to take care of the few.
Name a government agency that is effent and does what it say it does. you can't and you will complain about how every single one does this or that wrong. Government is the worst ran least effective and efficient organizations period.

It's not the governments job to feed, cloth, or house you, educate your children or save you from disaster. All that Is just part of the government expansion and power grab over the years and why we have the debt we do.

If there is a need that's where we the people step up and in. Fema stopped the church groups in my area from help ING with the floods and took the truck loads of supplys they took . BECUCE GOVERNMENT KNOWS BEST AND SAFETY. They took private property stopped people there to help from geting access. Meanwhile people dieing and starving were left on their own with needed supplies just sitting held up and help turned away.

THAT'S your fema. It's the citizens comming together across the country that will make these situations better not the government. If I want to take the risk to my safety to go help that's for me to decide my risk not some DEI hire from fema.

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