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Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8340862
02/13/25 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Blaine County

Have the he
By the way, speaking of cronies. Congratulations to the State of Illinois. Trump pardoned Rod Blagojevich--corrupt convicted felon democrat. Law and order!

How deeply did you look into Blagojevich case?

He only knows what to media tells him to think
Joe Rogan has an older podcast about this very subject

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8340942
02/13/25 10:44 AM
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I believe that there is an ulterior motive. Right now gaza is a wasteland nobody wants, to allow Palestinians to remain there is just idiotic, another war is just inevitable . So Trump expressing his desire for Gaza, for a base or hotels, whether genuine or not, now gives value and creates desire among Arabs and others who will hopefully step up and out bid the US, 3D chess? maybe. I would bet one of the Arabs has a piece of desert they would house Palestinian's on in exchange for ocean front property.


Just the right amount of whelm.
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8340945
02/13/25 10:46 AM
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I think it was less 3d chess and more talking without having put serious thought into it.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8340989
02/13/25 11:15 AM
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I"m glad some of you are privy to intelligence that Trump sees as well as predicting the future.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Rat Masterson] #8340998
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
I"m glad some of you are privy to intelligence that Trump sees as well as predicting the future.


I'm no seer but I'm pretty certain turning Gaza into the "riviera of the middle east" under U.S control never happens...

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341019
02/13/25 11:34 AM
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First of all nobody wants the Palestinians, they've been a burr under the saddle to everyone forever, but none of the neighboring countries want the US there....So Trump claims he wants Gaza, and keeps saying it to keep up the pressure on the Arab countries , who will eventually cave and take on the aggravation of dealing with Palestinians, Saudi Arabia has all the money they can ever use so will probably bankroll the whole thing as long as they can get Jordan and Egypt to babysit the Gazans for awhile....Does anyone seriously think Trump, or the US actually wants that crap hole?

That's my take, it's just another high stakes negotiation

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Dirt] #8341045
02/13/25 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt


The U.S. created Israel and the problem.


Wow. The simple have come to play. Nothing like ignorance of history, revisionist rhetoric, and fear of reality to bring round 2, 3 ,4, ad infinitum.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Diggerman] #8341051
02/13/25 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
I believe that there is an ulterior motive. Right now gaza is a wasteland nobody wants, to allow Palestinians to remain there is just idiotic, another war is just inevitable . So Trump expressing his desire for Gaza, for a base or hotels, whether genuine or not, now gives value and creates desire among Arabs and others who will hopefully step up and out bid the US, 3D chess? maybe. I would bet one of the Arabs has a piece of desert they would house Palestinian's on in exchange for ocean front property.


The faithful cannot just claim 3-D or 4-D chess whenever Trump says something stupid. And, it was stupid.

Note: You said maybe, and not actually 3-D chess, so this is not necessarily in direct response.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341055
02/13/25 12:00 PM
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Isreal was a creation of the UN with U.S support.

P.S. I'll let les give you the long version. smile

Last edited by Dirt; 02/13/25 12:13 PM.

Who is John Galt?
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341070
02/13/25 12:19 PM
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The U.S. was the first country to recognize Israel after the European jews immigrated there ILLEGALLY. It was called Palestine and part of the British empire. The illegals blew up police stations and other stuff. The Arabs living there fled. The U.S. recognized their sovereignty and the British also shortly after. The Arab refugees were told they could not return.

Most every country has borders established by war. Right or wrong its the world we live in. If Israel wants to remain Israel they need to do it their selves. Pretending they are blameless is disingenuous.

Yes I know. The shaman of some bronze age tribe told them they were gods chosen people. What was he supposed to tell them? That it was someone else? Every shaman of every tribe world wide has made that claim.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Preacherman Les] #8341123
02/13/25 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
Originally Posted by Dirt


The U.S. created Israel and the problem.


Wow. The simple have come to play. Nothing like ignorance of history, revisionist rhetoric, and fear of reality to bring round 2, 3 ,4, ad infinitum.


Look up the Belfort declaration. It explains the creation of Israel.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341129
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White Paper of 1939 is another to look up


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Blaine County] #8341412
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
[quote=Dirt][quote=Blaine County]

Law and order!


Coming from a guy who hires illegal laborers.


Honor a Soldier. Be the kind of American worth fighting for.
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Blaine County] #8341491
02/13/25 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Diggerman
I believe that there is an ulterior motive. Right now gaza is a wasteland nobody wants, to allow Palestinians to remain there is just idiotic, another war is just inevitable . So Trump expressing his desire for Gaza, for a base or hotels, whether genuine or not, now gives value and creates desire among Arabs and others who will hopefully step up and out bid the US, 3D chess? maybe. I would bet one of the Arabs has a piece of desert they would house Palestinian's on in exchange for ocean front property.


The faithful cannot just claim 3-D or 4-D chess whenever Trump says something stupid. And, it was stupid.

Note: You said maybe, and not actually 3-D chess, so this is not necessarily in direct response.

Most all Trump haters either think they are smarter than Trump or want to be, Bless their hearts.


Just the right amount of whelm.
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341499
02/13/25 09:28 PM
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Simple question, if you had no choice in the matter, would you rather live next to an Israeli or Palestinian?

Keith

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: bowhunter27295] #8341543
02/13/25 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by FisherDrive
A Christian nation funding the Jews to commit genocide on Palastine......isn't religion wonderful?


So if your neighbor says he is gonna kill you, your wife and your children because you're a trapper, are you gonna move and give him your house and land?

Good grief you are dense.


It's gone now. It will likely come back with a new user name.

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Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: danny clifton] #8341580
02/13/25 10:29 PM
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Yes the attempt to create two nations out of part of the old Ottoman empire through force has been a wonderful success story.


Who is John Galt?
Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: Dirt] #8341591
02/13/25 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Yes the attempt to create two nations out of part of the old Ottoman empire through force has been a wonderful success story.

There are way more than two countries that previously weren't in existence born out of the destruction of the Ottoman empire.

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8341607
02/13/25 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Dirt
Yes the attempt to create two nations out of part of the old Ottoman empire through force has been a wonderful success story.

There are way more than two countries that previously weren't in existence born out of the destruction of the Ottoman empire.


There are 39 new countries that came out of the Ottoman Empire and 4 old countries that survived it.

Keith

Re: cease fire falls apart [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8341625
02/13/25 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Dirt
Yes the attempt to create two nations out of part of the old Ottoman empire through force has been a wonderful success story.

There are way more than two countries that previously weren't in existence born out of the destruction of the Ottoman empire.


Well that is great, but I was only talking about part of the old empire that was made into Mandatory Palestine and then the UN tried to create two nations out of that.


Who is John Galt?
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