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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Yes sir]
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 02/13/25 03:35 PM
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I use a 3" masonry chisel  THIS^^^^ I also used a 3” masonry chisel and I found it was a little easier if I drilled some 1” holes a couple inches deep with a masonry bit before using the chisel.  Lined the bed with waxed sand then pegged the traps rock solid with 2- #14 x 2-7/8” TORX Timber Screws with the extra wide heads so I didn’t have a concern about a stable trap.  Over the years I tried a bunch of different methods but this was the very best for me whenever I had to make sets in frozen clay.  
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Vinke]
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 02/13/25 05:01 PM
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Milwaukee M18 FUEL SDS Plus Rotary Hammer, Tool Only, 1in. Chuck, 2 Ft./Lbs., 1330 RPM, 4800 BPM, Model# 2912-20
  This, with a few chisel bits. 1 concrete drill bit to pre drill for earth anchors, another bigger one for the occasion when I want to dig a dirt hole. 
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Vinke]
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 02/13/25 08:08 PM
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 Idaho
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Pulaski.  Some guys do use a rotary hammer, I've never tried it, but from what I hear it works fairly well, just keep your mouth closed and eyes squinted (same goes for a Pulaski in frozen clay) because there will be chips of frozen clay flying everywhere.  I've never cared for the mess when chipping/chopping out frozen trap beds, but not too much you can do about it.  Fill the bed with waxed sand and cover the trap with the same, and then very lightly blend.  You can often drive earth anchors in frozen ground (with a lot of swings) but you aren't pulling them until it thaws.  Drags or chaining off to a tree works much better.
  If you get enough snow to set in, that is much easier.  As Tramp says, put wax paper under, bed trap, put wax paper over.
  Personally I don't care for any type of antifreeze when setting in frozen ground, coyotes and wolves both seem to avoid that wet spot the antifreeze leaves.  Maybe it doesn't bother fox, I've not tried it around them. 
 
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Vinke]
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 02/14/25 12:16 AM
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How do you do it?
  Under special permit I can use conventional sets for trapping coyotes. The ground I am setting is clay and road bedding that is hard as a rock.
  I chipped 5 sets in, but it sucked,,,,, to much work ……
  Thought about bringing a torch next time to melt the top couple of inches…
  I did experiment with 2 above ground sets, but they consumed a lot of my mixed dirt…
  Thanks
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  Vinke Step 1.  Find a spot that has frozen tracks. Step 2.  Chop a bed deep enough to set your tiny little trap in the lowest spot that you figure the filthy dog will work its feet into.  I like chopping it out with a hatchet.  Makes my elbow talk to me. Step 3.  Cover the trap with the absolute minimum that you can blend it in with, because it’s either going to snow or freeze your trap out of commission within 3 hours of leaving it, or it’s going to rain and turn everything into grey ice and you won’t get your trap out of there until May, maybe. Rinse and repeat until success. Tried waxed sand, waxed paper, waxed grass even.  That stuff just freezes into the same unmovable blob as the rest. Keep us informed of what works for ya, eh?  
 
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: MikeTraps2]
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 02/14/25 05:47 AM
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So how long do you leave a yote set sitting before you get discouraged and move it or give up?  I mean do you expect to see something within a couple weeks usually?  If you don't you just let it keep going?  How long?  Maybe its more of a patience game than I realize? p.s. Mattock tool is supposed to be pretty handy has anyone tried one of those? I have adapted Major Boddicker's method of using salted sand and the cheapest 1 gallon Ziploc type bags, usually store band. I get sand at Lowe's I just use the play sand, livestock salt 10 part sand to 1 salt.. Either chip out a bed or just find a depression, low spot etc. add salted sand, put trap in bag, I use 4 coiled #3, bed in the sand, cover with the salted sand, I usually blend it in a but, but have caught with no blending.
  I had and ADC job last winter, homeowner was checking sets for me. I put in sets, three days later it snowed 12 inches, then 5 days later another 12 inches of snow, then it drop below zero for 10 days. Then a week later it rained and melted. I never remade or relured the sets, and homeowner didn't see nay coyotes on his security cameras (which is why he called me to begin with as he has 2 small dogs). Left sets for 2 more weeks, then caught two  coyotes 3 days apart.
  I have also chopped out beds, find a hatchet works well for that, then poured in salt or calcium chloride to soften bed and made set the next day after it had softened up.  
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Vinke]
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 02/14/25 06:04 AM
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 Louisville, Nebraska
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I have an old rail road pick that I use to hack out beds in frozen ground here. I can drive rebar into frozen ground with a good sledge, once you get a foot or so down they go in easier. Cross stake for when things thaw out they hold better. I don’t mess with dirt holes in frozen ground. 
  A bent over cornstalk, trap bedded in from of it, and I smear bait or lure on end of the stalk that is bent over and pointing at the bed.   
  In bean fields I kick a pile of bean chaffe into a small pile. Bed in front of the pile and bait goes under the pile on trap side.
  A piece of wood block with a hole drilled in one end is a good bait or lure holder too.
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Re: Frozen ground trappers?
[Re: Vinke]
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 02/15/25 05:58 AM
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I use a splitting maul to chip out trap beds and pound rebar stakes
  Use the grey pipe instead of digging holes
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