....oath to the U.S. Constitution..? Just curious.

This little note is in no way giving blanket endorsement of government workers if they actually do follow the U.S. Constitution in doing their jobs or that they are above sloth, corruption, or other negative aspects. But I'm just curious how many in the fully private employment world have to take an oath to become employed? I've been in both private and public employment and never took an oath to the U.S. Constitution for employment on the private side. Maybe attorneys do, and maybe some others as well.

I know its open season on federal civilian employees right now, and I understand most of it, but there will be some good people smoked by the meat cleaver approach and there will be some whining down the line when various programs get axed and you or your family or friends don't know they are tied to it (financially or otherwise) indirectly (perhaps several linkages indirectly) and wonder why this or that part of the economy or your area start sucking hind teety and can't figure out why.

Again, I'm not saying there doesn't need to be major reforms in federal government spending but if you think all the national debt and annual budget deficits are going overseas or just lining the pockets of corrupt politicians or NGOs, I think you will be surprised. Federal money is attached to lots and lots of things out there in the greater economy.

The people who I feel bad for are the military veterans who either just took a fed job or changed a fed job and are in their "probation" year or so and just got fired for "non- performance" even though they maybe had an epap stating they did great job or have no "performance" metrics at all except the number of months they been in their position.

Anyway, we'll see what happens and see if anything really changes in the end....

All of em should really, even the janitorial staff...

Swamp needs to be drained,,if there is collateral damage,,,oh well.D.C. needs a gutting.

Most of those folks are contractors. SniperBBB, are you still in the health care industry (sort of thought you were)?



A lot more the work force is outside of DC. upstateNY, I hope the 2nd-3rd-or 4th ....linkages don't come and bite you and yours. But maybe you wouldn't know how those links touch you anyway. Have fun.

It's gone on so long and been given a green light for so long, that many people just see it as a job and not taking or moving funds around, they are just there for a living, thats what the builders want people to think, it makes it that much more difficult to stop these programs !!

When you see people now out of a job or support, and they don't understand why, thats a sure sign that things need changing
everyone should know why there are hired and what for, the company back ground and why it is needed, but it has not happened for so long that all these entities are in notice because, some one finally has said it is their turn to prove the need and where the funds are going , went and why.

Problem is showing that these companies or what ever one wants to call them are now playing the poor employment scheme now to have this giant look see stopped, and there are Judges doing just this, which is a very serious thing as well !!

Nope. I went out 2 weeks before the Biden vax mandate because the company decided to implement their own.

As for contractors I'm fine with them not taking oaths unless there under Defense Dept or State Dept contracts.

I did.

As for federal workers, welcome to the real world. Most of the cuts are great, I just wish it was being done correctly and with better process/reason--not an endorsement of the people doing it. Don't get caught up in the last part Tman crew, repeat, I think most of them are great.

I sincerely wish them well in their job searches.

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[quote][Nope. I went out 2 weeks before the Biden vax mandate because the company decided to implement their own.

As for contractors I'm fine with them not taking oaths unless there under Defense Dept or State Dept contracts./quote]

Nice action Sniper! I was one of the resisters to Joey's vax mandate and filed an RA, mine was religiously based. I was told there were about 300 of us in my agency (I suspect there were a couple dozen of crusties close to retirement that just ignored the process altogether). Our HR, not located in DC but in a more western city that is the Cold War "second capital", were always over worked (so they claimed) and hadn't really done anything with my RA paperwork when the first court injunction happened. Everything then stopped. But DoD and the VA kept going with Joey's orders with a vengeance and one of DJT's EOs corrected the military side of the house, I don't know if that covers the civilian DoD or the VA resisters or not.

Like I said, we'll see what the ripple down effects are in your communities. Maybe nothing or maybe something more.

Ive worked private sector for most of my life. I took an oath on one of my previous federal jobs, the Army. I don't remember having on my present job that "brings good things to life."
I do believe if most if not all employers, private and public would have the higher ups do there job correctly. Be held more accountable, most businesses (private and public) could operate with a lot less employees. There is fat in every business that needs trimming. Sorry got to go, i'm on the clock!

It's covered under Article VI of the US Constitution. Federal and State workers take an oath to defend the US Constitution.

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution"

Even though that doesn't seem to apply to most government workers from the text, they still have to take the oath.

Wright Patterson Airforce Base has an oath taking ceremony for all new employees, that I know many people who have taken part in.

Keith

Thanks Keith! I didn't know that fact.

I got sworn in with another guy back when. I don't know if he had ever taken an oath before. I had done the Scout oath many times so it wasn't a surprise to me. I also has seen my brother do his military oath several times. I don't think my colleague had anyone in the military.

It seems 47 is trying to give power back to the states. I would think that those jobs that are necessary would now be funded by the states. Those Federal employees who actually perform necessary tasks should be at the top of the list for state hire. Of course that will take time. The chopping axe approach to waste can be awful messy but with such a bloated bureaucracy it may be the only way to get it done.

Lots of fat to cut in the government but this trimming needs a scalpel not a chainsaw. We lost 4 spots due to the hiring freeze, one quite because of hr being so backwards. 2 to the buyout and 1 to being on their 1 year probation. Hard to run a facility with 5000 + horses and only 1 cowboy. And they looked to see if he was on probation too, he was safe by 6 months.
My boss and I spent 2 years trying to get staff as the program increased the numbers we hold, inorder to remove the nessarry number from the range. If you want effonancy maybe not taking 2 years to hire a worker when you open a new facility might be a start or 3 years to award a contract. Heck I'm running on 1 well because of red tape and hoping we don't have another issue or I'm screwed.
Now should we , meaning taxpayers be funding the feeding of horses it depends on who you ask i hear both opions at work.

30 percent of the Federal budget faces cuts. I think, if they cut all discretionary spending the U.S. will still being running a sizable deficit. If they can cut 5 percent of the Federal budget, I will be impressed. The big cuts, will be like in the 90's when they get to refinance debt at lower interest.

Historic number of Federal employees

# 47 Has declared war on Waste Fraud and Abuse, anyone with military experience any anyone with an ounce of common sense knows you can't fight a,war without spilling a little blood and having collateral damage.

"The Private Sector Survey on Cost Control (PSSCC), commonly referred to as the Grace Commission, was an investigation requested by United States President Ronald Reagan, authorized in Executive Order 12369 on June 30, 1982. In doing so President Reagan used the now famous phrase, "Drain the swamp".[1] The survey's focus was on eliminating waste and inefficiency in the United States federal government. Businessman J. Peter Grace chaired the commission.[2] Reagan asked the members of that commission to "Be bold. We want your team to work like tireless bloodhounds. Don't leave any stone unturned in your search to root out inefficiency."[3]"

The report said that one-third of all income taxes are consumed by waste and inefficiency in the federal government, and another one-third escapes collection owing to the underground economy. "With two thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services that taxpayers expect from their government."[5]"

LOL

A Bug Bomb would be a good start.

Schadenfreude

Here's why the books need looked at.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...iden-admin/ar-AA1z5gcp?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Turner has only been there d once the 5th when he was confirmed.

It’s interesting that a publicly traded company has to file many reports and issue accurate documentation concerning its operations and monetary dealings. Knowledge that the government and shareholders require. It’s by law. Many big shots and companies have burned for illicit activity.

Isn’t The American government one giant company owned thru taxes by we the people? Why are we not afforded the same updated monetary reports and more importantly why are the “executors” of our money and assets not subject to the same consequences the judicial system hands private corporations.

It was reported in the last few days it’s been discovered that a percentage of pay that was earned by our troops, withheld by the military for the express purpose of feeding said troops, ( that in itself seems crazy to me) the account is missing 150 MILLION dollars of the soldiers money. I’m betting it’s going to end up more. How can people responsible, get away with stealing from the young men and women putting their lives on the line for us without question, not see the inside of prison walls for a couple millennia?
One small example.

Osky

Why does the US Government need 5000 horses? The pony express has been upgraded for some time now. I honestly am asking, why?

J Stanton said this:

So, here's a hypothetical. What about people who work at multiple geographical scales, how would working for individual states benefit leaders at the national scale?

President Trump comes out of a cabinet meeting and for some strange reason wants the answers to three very different land change change questions in short order. These questions are (the particular dates aren't really important):

Between 2010 and 2020, how much land was cut for timber production in states of Washington, Georgia, and Maine?

Between 2010 and 2020, how much grassland in Montana, South Dakota, and Colorado was converted to cropland?

Between 2010 and 2020, how much shrubland in Oregon, Nevada, and Idaho was impacted by wild fire and probably changed to grasslands?


How would the natural resource knowledge base in those nine states coordinate and process that request? Would you think it would take more than a couple of weeks??

And yet, if my actual management food chain truly realized what my team does, one of my contractors and myself could have nice approximations in whatever land measurements the Prez wanted in probably two weeks because we have national datasets that the country has invested in and I have 25 years (actually more) of multi-scale U.S. land change knowledge that I can draw and deliver from.

I doubt multiple state agencies could provide that information as quick or with less man hours used. And those are just some sample land use or land change requests that I and one or two people could do at a national leader's request because we have built a system and I can execute from it. Most of the people I work with are the technicals, I'm the synthesizer of their pieces and parts.

I don't regulate anyone, manage any land, or push money digits from here to there, and I have very little fat to cut because my food chain has mostly done that already because they don't "get" knowledge dissemination. They like making datasets but actually using them, that is for other "stakeholders" and "customers" to do.

sounds like he manages the wild horse herds down there .