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Not a fun Test #8344548
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Testing of a bulletproof vest, 1923


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344555
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Not OSHA approved...

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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344570
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on the flip side in 1923 , that was probably a 38s&w short

and they had probably shot boxes of ammo the vests prior to trying them , however that is some great confidence that your partner isn't going to miss


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8344572
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
on the flip side in 1923 , that was probably a 38s&w short

and they had probably shot boxes of ammo the vests prior to trying them , however that is some great confidence that your partner isn't going to miss

I believe Youre right about all


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344577
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What he shoot with? A musket??

Re: Not a fun Test [Re: Wanna Be] #8344580
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
What he shoot with? A musket??

I think the "target" farted


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344586
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Guy has a smile on his face so I guessed it tickled,... grin

Re: Not a fun Test [Re: gcs] #8344587
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Originally Posted by gcs
Guy has a smile on his face so I guessed it tickled,... grin

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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344608
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the chamber pressure on those old revolvers was like 13-14,000psi even what we consider to be low pressure cartridges today is 19,500psi

to put that in context 9mm is 35,000psi and 9mm +p is 38,500psi

38spl normal is 17,000psi and +P is 20,000psi

keep in mind these are all the max psi so figure an actual cartridge will generally be 10-20% lower and if you target farted 40-50% lower.

a lot of those 32S&W , 38S&W 38 colt , were black powder rounds most commonly especially the rounds with rebated bullets like these 3 , that means they have a bullet base like a 22lr where it has a lip that holds it to the case
even with the rebated base allowing more case capacity , you are talking like 10gr of black powder

these were also most likely some sort of metal plate , when you think about what stops 9mm for steel , a 1/4 inch mild steel plate will do , these might have been even thinner


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344612
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Wanna Be
What he shoot with? A musket??

I think the "target" farted

And then some! laugh


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8344643
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
the chamber pressure on those old revolvers was like 13-14,000psi even what we consider to be low pressure cartridges today is 19,500psi

to put that in context 9mm is 35,000psi and 9mm +p is 38,500psi

38spl normal is 17,000psi and +P is 20,000psi

keep in mind these are all the max psi so figure an actual cartridge will generally be 10-20% lower and if you target farted 40-50% lower.

a lot of those 32S&W , 38S&W 38 colt , were black powder rounds most commonly especially the rounds with rebated bullets like these 3 , that means they have a bullet base like a 22lr where it has a lip that holds it to the case
even with the rebated base allowing more case capacity , you are talking like 10gr of black powder

these were also most likely some sort of metal plate , when you think about what stops 9mm for steel , a 1/4 inch mild steel plate will do , these might have been even thinner


Really interesting Information GCP


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344647
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I think the picture is faked. Black powder blank creating smoke. That close even with a vest and a low pressure round it would hurt. Bad. He does not look to be in pain at all.


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: danny clifton] #8344691
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[quote=danny clifton]I think the picture is faked. Black powder blank creating smoke. That close even with a vest and a low pressure round it would hurt. Bad. He does not look to be in pain at all. [/quote

Its Not faked

Read GCPetes post^^^


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344830
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we think of it hurting because soft vests flex and move and very much do hurt

there are numerus videos of people taking 308win from just a few yards , but with hard vests that have metal plates in them and layers of laminated material to contain the spall


if you think about it , a 308 has exactly the same energy at both ends one you have the stock around 8 square inches and a 8 pound rifle to take up the recoil , on the other end the bullet is going 2750 at 150gr but 0.308 inches so it tears through

but if you have a hard surface like AR500 steel that is 16x16 inches 256 square inches and you put a pad and some weight behind it , it isn't all that hard of a hit.

to prove the point many will balance on one foot to take the shot.


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330...you still frozen up...and dropping trow in a Home Depot like Bruce ??


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the guy who used to go around shooting himself with a 357 and a second chance vest , used to put a phone book under the vest , that disperses the impact over enough area that he didn't get hurt and bruise organs


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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
330...you still frozen up...and dropping trow in a Home Depot like Bruce ??


Nope, seems to be working now


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Re: Not a fun Test [Re: 330-Trapper] #8344928
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Even with a vest you could break a rib. And with so many metal jacket rounds out there I sold mine. My brother is a police captain down in Florida. He said they are just getting holes punch through them these last few years. The bad guys know to use full metal jackets.

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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Nessmuck
330...you still frozen up...and dropping trow in a Home Depot like Bruce ??


Nope, seems to be working now


Very nice !!


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