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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346010
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Ebikes don't need licensed but my trolling motor on a jonboat does. That torques my jowels.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: uplandpointer] #8346037
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Originally Posted by uplandpointer
I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.

Each of my five kids have pedal bikes. Some we got for less than $20. Do you really wanna charge tax on a $15 bike that a 9 year old rides to the library and the pool?

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346041
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Be required to have liability insurance, tags and registration?

No. I'm tired of being nickel and dimed for everything. When is enough, enough. Anyone who's wants more regulations....well, you know.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: uplandpointer] #8346044
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Originally Posted by uplandpointer
I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.

You're dealing with a people problem, not a bike problem.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346048
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IMO all bikes should not be allowed on roads with a speed limit higher than 25 mph.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: loosegoose] #8346073
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by uplandpointer
I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.

Each of my five kids have pedal bikes. Some we got for less than $20. Do you really wanna charge tax on a $15 bike that a 9 year old rides to the library and the pool?


In my years I have bought many $100 dollar vehicles. Paid licences and registration as well as fuel tax on all of them. Even had to cover them with insurance. Your point is?

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8346076
02/18/25 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Be required to have liability insurance, tags and registration?

No. I'm tired of being nickel and dimed for everything. When is enough, enough. Anyone who's wants more regulations....well, you know.


So am I but they don’t care because they have no skin in the game. Take mine out and I won’t care either.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: uplandpointer] #8346089
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Originally Posted by uplandpointer
I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.



if you did that you would have a LOT of road funding disappear

we got a new stretch of road paid for by a bike grant , some one was willing to pay for a significant portion a section of road provided it was put in with bike lanes

so the funding is coming in just not as a wheel tax on bikes

almost any road that is new that has a bike lane , it saw funding to get that bike lane


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8346112
02/18/25 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
We do give a pass to ATV and UTV and tractor and horse and buggy

ATV and UTV only pay the state registration.

nothing to pull up to a rural bar in the summer here and there are 20 UTVs parked outside

Well it is Wisconsin

I've lived there in the 80's and 90's Wisconsin is a different place they should be exempted grin

Im hoping to Retire there


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8346402
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by uplandpointer
I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.



if you did that you would have a LOT of road funding disappear

we got a new stretch of road paid for by a bike grant , some one was willing to pay for a significant portion a section of road provided it was put in with bike lanes

so the funding is coming in just not as a wheel tax on bikes

almost any road that is new that has a bike lane , it saw funding to get that bike lane

What is a bike grant? Where does the money come from?

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346410
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Riding on a public maintained roadway, YES. Just like anything else


GREENCOUNTYPETE do you just waive the other driver's liability if they hit you?
You don't want mandatory insurance but do you think the average person can afford to pay out of pocket to fix a totaled 3yo vehicle?
What about any injury and the resulting medical care?
Not my fault then I should not have to pay out of my pocket.
Also the majority of people are carrying the minimum coverage their state allows.
Look at your state minimums and see just how far that would go to pay for someone totaling your car and the associated expenses. Might scare you

Should have to be registered and inspected as well
And should have to operate at a minimum speed and so as not to impede the flow of traffic

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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: BTLowry] #8346456
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Originally Posted by BTLowry
Riding on a public maintained roadway, YES. Just like anything else


GREENCOUNTYPETE do you just waive the other driver's liability if they hit you?
You don't want mandatory insurance but do you think the average person can afford to pay out of pocket to fix a totaled 3yo vehicle?
What about any injury and the resulting medical care?
Not my fault then I should not have to pay out of my pocket.
Also the majority of people are carrying the minimum coverage their state allows.
Look at your state minimums and see just how far that would go to pay for someone totaling your car and the associated expenses. Might scare you

Should have to be registered and inspected as well
And should have to operate at a minimum speed and so as not to impede the flow of traffic


you should probably make people get insurance before they walk across the street as well.
if a 30 pound bike and a 200 pound rider total your car and cause you injury , what the heck happened.

E bikes already have a maximum speed they can operate without moving up into a registration class.
they should already not be on roads with 45mph minimums like interstates.

it is their liability still should they come slamming into your car but chances are they are dead if they totaled your 3 year old car.
if you have a 3 year old car you will already have un-insured / under insured motorist.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8346465
02/19/25 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by BTLowry
Riding on a public maintained roadway, YES. Just like anything else


GREENCOUNTYPETE do you just waive the other driver's liability if they hit you?
You don't want mandatory insurance but do you think the average person can afford to pay out of pocket to fix a totaled 3yo vehicle?
What about any injury and the resulting medical care?
Not my fault then I should not have to pay out of my pocket.
Also the majority of people are carrying the minimum coverage their state allows.
Look at your state minimums and see just how far that would go to pay for someone totaling your car and the associated expenses. Might scare you

Should have to be registered and inspected as well
And should have to operate at a minimum speed and so as not to impede the flow of traffic


you should probably make people get insurance before they walk across the street as well.
if a 30 pound bike and a 200 pound rider total your car and cause you injury , what the heck happened.

E bikes already have a maximum speed they can operate without moving up into a registration class.
they should already not be on roads with 45mph minimums like interstates.

it is their liability still should they come slamming into your car but chances are they are dead if they totaled your 3 year old car.
if you have a 3 year old car you will already have un-insured / under insured motorist.




This is pretty narrow vision. Any number of things can happen trying to avoid running over a cyclist. Off the road and roll over, strike a tree, skid out of control into on coming traffic.


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: trapdog1] #8346473
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Originally Posted by trapdog1

What is a bike grant? Where does the money come from?


some come from federal and state funding set aside for bike and pedestrian access to encourage greater bike communing , thus not tying up the roads the same at rush hour and creating as many parking issues.
some come from Bike advocacy fund raising to build better bike bridges , lanes , and trails.


there are also trail charges , like WI state bike trails pass , other cities and counties have trail passes as well.

everyone gets taxed on income , property and sales

100% of roads do not come from wheel tax and gas tax

Joe Yoder , pays property tax on his farm and house , he uses no other services from the state or township, should he still have to pay a wheel tax on the wagon and a hoof tax on the horse . a wheel tax on the bikes his kids ride to the private school he pays for without any tax dollars?


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346480
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper


This is pretty narrow vision. Any number of things can happen trying to avoid running over a cyclist. Off the road and roll over, strike a tree, skid out of control into on coming traffic.

what you do to avoid a motorist , a crash up ahead , a coon in the road , a deer in the road , a pedestrian in the road , that is all on you

if you avoid the pile up in front of you by taking a ditch and hit an oak tree , you were the one going to fast for conditions.

if a motorcycle quickly swerves in front of you and you had no chance to stop when they laid the bike down mid lane change in their reckless driving and you run them over with the quads , that is on them, if you try not to hit them and take out the 3 cars in the lane next to you and left the roadway and hit a tree because you swerved without looking , that is on you.

there is risk in driving and deer are still a significantly greater threat than bikes

we already let he insurance companies run wild mandating anything they want , when does that stop or is it an endless cycle of them taxing you for the privilege of breathing so they can waste it on stadiums bearing their name.



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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346488
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Well you’ve convinced me. Not likely an e-bike is going to do much to a dump truck so I’ll take the bump and keep on trucking. Thanks!

Probably liberals anyway riding where they shouldn’t. lol

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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: 330-Trapper] #8346489
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
We do give a pass to ATV and UTV and tractor and horse and buggy

ATV and UTV only pay the state registration.

nothing to pull up to a rural bar in the summer here and there are 20 UTVs parked outside

Well it is Wisconsin

I've lived there in the 80's and 90's Wisconsin is a different place they should be exempted grin

Im hoping to Retire there

I think I like WI because it is different.


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I don't know how some of you can call yourself republicans , while at the same time wanting to tax everything into submission.

this seems more like a , they taxed us for what we do /drive so we want to tax Them for what they do /drive.

by this kind of logic being displayed , you would be advocating , hunters insurance , trappers insurance , carrying a gun insurance, fishing insurance , walking insurance , dog insurance , kid insurance , firing a gun insurance, storing more then 1 pound or reloading powder insurance.

don't get sucked into , I am being charged , they need to be charged

on some level it should be legal to own a property , live on said property , participate in no licensed activities , and pay no one insurance.

because if a man will come and arrest you for not paying insurance , then you are not free , you have traded your freedom for some temporary security.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8346501
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I don't know how some of you can call yourself republicans , while at the same time wanting to tax everything into submission.

this seems more like a , they taxed us for what we do /drive so we want to tax Them for what they do /drive.





Actually it’s a stop taxing me and this is why. Also, I’m not a republican, so don’t use me as an example. lol

I can appreciate how quick you are to go to guns on it though. We all need to be doing that.

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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8346523
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I can understand you not wanting to be taxed any more

but pushing a tax where you have the ability to elect new people or run for office yourself and have representation to lower or end said tax off as an insurance by a private company who is sure to screw everyone involved not the least of which is the tax payer and government. gold courses around insurance buildings don't build themselves and stadium names are not cheap.

then you have both no representation , no recourse and you are a slave to a corporation.

there is a reason they backed off on the fines for not having health insurance because a challenge to mandated insurance in the supreme court would crash the entire insurance industry if they lost so why take a chance and let it get there.


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