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Should Electric Bikes #8345753
02/18/25 01:07 PM
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Be required to have liability insurance, tags and registration?


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345779
02/18/25 01:28 PM
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no on insurance

as an example we can go up to 15hp boats 14 feet and under on the home owners policy they see so little liability with them.

I really hate to see one more mandatory insurance , the insurance companies eat that stuff up when they have you over a barrel.

Legally mandated insurance still seems like a bad idea to me . to the point the cop generally doesn't even ask for registration , just proof of insurance and license any more.

you can drive a 1200 pound horse pulling a buggy with 6 people inside pulling a wagon and not need any insurance

seems there needs to be some way to use a public resource with out paying a private company for the privilege.




Last edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE; 02/18/25 01:31 PM.

America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345780
02/18/25 01:28 PM
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No. If you want to volunteer to do so fine. Waste of money to require it

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345781
02/18/25 01:29 PM
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No.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345794
02/18/25 01:35 PM
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The only point of mandatory insurance would be to keep ebikes off the roads. Same with registration/tags. There is a certain attraction to that.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345797
02/18/25 01:36 PM
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Seeing more of them riding the shoulder on the highway. The latest was going fast enough to cause an issue with traffic trying to pass. Can you drive an ATV down the shoulder?


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345798
02/18/25 01:36 PM
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If they are on the road yes.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345809
02/18/25 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Seeing more of them riding the shoulder on the highway. The latest was going fast enough to cause an issue with traffic trying to pass. Can you drive an ATV down the shoulder?


right down the road on all but numbered state highways
we heard how the blood would run in the streets if we allowed it so we set up designated roads first then expanded to township roads and city streets , now it is almost everywhere but the numbered state highways. it varies by county and township but most all of them see the tiny risk and the great economic benefit


remember you can drive a 20,000 pound tractor with 6 foot high tires wider than a lane with no license at all pulling a death bomb of 3 ton of anhydrous

I can think of one UTV accident in out area in the last year , and I think it was the cars fault.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345817
02/18/25 01:56 PM
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We got pedal bikers here on the roads going 20mph at times, being a nuisance and special bike lanes...no insurance required, so no....

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8345818
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Seeing more of them riding the shoulder on the highway. The latest was going fast enough to cause an issue with traffic trying to pass. Can you drive an ATV down the shoulder?


right down the road on all but numbered state highways
we heard how the blood would run in the streets if we allowed it so we set up designated roads first then expanded to township roads and city streets , now it is almost everywhere but the numbered state highways. it varies by county and township but most all of them see the tiny risk and the great economic benefit


remember you can drive a 20,000 pound tractor with 6 foot high tires wider than a lane with no license at all pulling a death bomb of 3 ton of anhydrous

I can think of one UTV accident in out area in the last year , and I think it was the cars fault.



Unless it’s construction equipment, then it needs to be tagged.


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345823
02/18/25 01:58 PM
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Why tags and registration for ecars?


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345827
02/18/25 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Seeing more of them riding the shoulder on the highway. The latest was going fast enough to cause an issue with traffic trying to pass. Can you drive an ATV down the shoulder?



Regular bikes should be included if we go that route

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345832
02/18/25 02:08 PM
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Somehow I don’t mind the folks pedaling but the ones utilizing a motorized vehicle without the same inconveniences the rest of us endure strikes as odd. That is unless we are going to give a pass on all other atvs and contraptions one can come up with.


-Goofy
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345851
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I would guess if they are the cause of the accident they are liable ! Be beneficial to have insurance in that instance. Beneficial to get financial protection as well as legal representation including establishing the percentage of liability. As mentioned some level of protection might be available under there Renters or Homeowners liability.

Amish freighter could be found liable for an accident. So could the farmer hauling anhydrous !
So could a child on a pedal bike.

But mandatory insurance on E-bikes seems a bit excessive ! Where would it stop ?


It’s a lazy man who can’t find his wife a second job !
Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345853
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We do give a pass to ATV and UTV and tractor and horse and buggy

ATV and UTV only pay the state registration.

nothing to pull up to a rural bar in the summer here and there are 20 UTVs parked outside


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345862
02/18/25 02:44 PM
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We are not so fortunate in that regard.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345936
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
We are not so fortunate in that regard.


we have only had one so far , a guy operating a UTV who was OWI ,he already had an OWI in a car but since they are operating on a ATV UTV trial it is technically a recreational OWI that doesn't carry quite the severity of a Auto OWI.

he would have probably done it in a car just the same

WI is a bit weak on OWI , the first one is a misdemeanor


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: 2poor] #8345937
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Originally Posted by 2poor
I would guess if they are the cause of the accident they are liable ! Be beneficial to have insurance in that instance. Beneficial to get financial protection as well as legal representation including establishing the percentage of liability. As mentioned some level of protection might be available under there Renters or Homeowners liability.

Amish freighter could be found liable for an accident. So could the farmer hauling anhydrous !
So could a child on a pedal bike.

But mandatory insurance on E-bikes seems a bit excessive ! Where would it stop ?


it wouldn't until there was an insurance building surrounded by a golf course outside every city in the state.


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Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8345950
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE

I can think of one UTV accident in out area in the last year , and I think it was the cars fault.



27 of the 40 ATV/UTV fatalities in Wisconsin in 2024 were on a road.

I hit a snowmobiler with my truck about 15 years ago. The county sheriff said don't worry about it. Recreational vehicles always have to yield to cars/trucks.

Re: Should Electric Bikes [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8345976
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I feel all bicycles (E bike and pedal) should be charged some sort of road use tax. In the metro areas they ride with a sort of entitlement that the road rules do not apply to them. They block lanes slowing traffic to almost a stop and have little to no respect for traffic signs. Where I live in the country there isn't as much of that but they have paved bike trails that are restricted to most other forms of traffic that are paid for with tax payer funding. They should at least have to pay some sort of a sure charge.

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