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Re: Better Prisons. [Re: bowhunter27295] #8343909
02/16/25 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by loosegoose


The war on drugs isn't working out too well, either.


Again, Oregon and San Francisco. Exhibit A and B.

In considering the "War on Drugs" or living in a cesspool of a city where drugs are legal, I will take the "War on Drugs" all day long.

Oregon and San Francisco are examples of welfare states with legalized drugs, and are irrelevant to the libertarian viewpoint. Libertarians support drug legalization and the end of the welfare state.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: KeithC] #8343914
02/16/25 04:44 PM
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And open borders I hear.


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Re: Better Prisons. [Re: Leftlane] #8343922
02/16/25 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
And open borders I hear.

There are a lot of libertarians that don't like the open borders platform of the libertarian party. Just like there are democrats that are hard-core 2a supporters, and Republicans that don't support tariffs.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: bowhunter27295] #8343927
02/16/25 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
If drugs are legalized and there is no welfare, druggies will die. Sounds as if libertarians are for survival of the fittest and everyone else can die.

And campaigning on ending the welfare state is a sure way to lose any election. As long as they can vote, they will always vote themselves a raise or something more.


Well .......yeah basically. People should take responsibility for their health and not rely on big gov to take care of them after years of abusing their body, whether that's through free trips to the hospital after injecting heroin, or having Medicare pay for diabetes medicine after a lifetime of eating over-processed garbage and sugar.

They're both the same as far as I'm concerned. In both cases, someone knowingly makes bad choices and abuses their own body, and when they inevitably reap the consequences, they expect others to pay the bill for their bad choices.


As far as I see, it's a bigger issue than just drugs. It's about being responsible for yourself, and whether or not other people are responsible for paying for the bad choices of others.


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Re: Better Prisons. [Re: bowhunter27295] #8343956
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
You do know big pharma is a MAJOR campaign contributor to all, correct?

Money wins campaigns.

Libertarians are doomed with these platforms.

Well gosh. I guess whoever spends the most has the best ideas.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: Wanna Be] #8343967
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Outlaw Narcan and a lot of users would get off the drugs or just be gone. That’s a one way ticket that most don’t want.


About 4% of the US population is addicted to opiods and most of those get Narcan at least once. Stopping Narcan use would stop most repeat opioid users over time.

Keith

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: KeithC] #8343974
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Libertarians are still liberals, just to a different degree.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: KeithC] #8343992
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I’m former LEO and had to go to a 8hr class to be able to carry and administer Narcan but a junkie can get narcan by just being a junkie no school For them and our state is lookin into building a new prison but everyone is against it I just don’t see there views we need to do prisons like animal shelters go start out here today and in so many days you wind up out back lol

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: Trappin Arkansas] #8344002
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Originally Posted by Trappin Arkansas
I’m former LEO and had to go to a 8hr class to be able to carry and administer Narcan but a junkie can get narcan by just being a junkie no school For them and our state is lookin into building a new prison but everyone is against it I just don’t see there views we need to do prisons like animal shelters go start out here today and in so many days you wind up out back lol



Exactly. If they can't be released safely into society they need put down. No reason to pay to keep them locked up 30 years

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: loosegoose] #8344201
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
If drugs are legalized and there is no welfare, druggies will die. Sounds as if libertarians are for survival of the fittest and everyone else can die.

And campaigning on ending the welfare state is a sure way to lose any election. As long as they can vote, they will always vote themselves a raise or something more.


Well .......yeah basically. People should take responsibility for their health and not rely on big gov to take care of them after years of abusing their body, whether that's through free trips to the hospital after injecting heroin, or having Medicare pay for diabetes medicine after a lifetime of eating over-processed garbage and sugar.

They're both the same as far as I'm concerned. In both cases, someone knowingly makes bad choices and abuses their own body, and when they inevitably reap the consequences, they expect others to pay the bill for their bad choices.


As far as I see, it's a bigger issue than just drugs. It's about being responsible for yourself, and whether or not other people are responsible for paying for the bad choices of others.


And they reproduce. Alot. What else do they have to do......


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Better Prisons. [Re: Providence Farm] #8346780
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Trappin Arkansas
I’m former LEO and had to go to a 8hr class to be able to carry and administer Narcan but a junkie can get narcan by just being a junkie no school For them and our state is lookin into building a new prison but everyone is against it I just don’t see there views we need to do prisons like animal shelters go start out here today and in so many days you wind up out back lol



Exactly. If they can't be released safely into society they need put down. No reason to pay to keep them locked up 30 years

I still like the idea of road crews. Prisoners painting bridges, fixing wildlife highway fences, potholes, cleaning up litter. NOT abusing people, but making them do productive physical labor. I live in a state where they don't hardly incarcerate anyone except for a firearm violation, plenty of those, especially if you happen to be an Anglo. Hard work would make a lot of offenders not want back in.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: KeithC] #8346834
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In Ohioi when i was a kid, all incarceration was rough.

The worst went to old fashioned prisons with tall walls, barbed wire, and towers for guards with machine guns. The less severe went to work farms. They could be seen wearing leg irons and striped suits working in the fields growing produce for the prison system.

Nowadays there is a huge prison complex west of Columbus. They spent waaaay too much money on the project. And lesser criminals are out picking up litter all summer long.

Maybe send our worst criminals to Venezuela?


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Re: Better Prisons. [Re: KeithC] #8347136
02/20/25 12:48 AM
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If you all knew what truly occurs in modern prisons, especially in the left wing states, you would be ready to riot.

I work in the biggest one in MN and was shocked at how good they have it compared to their victims.

Re: Better Prisons. [Re: Leftlane] #8347161
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
And open borders I hear.

Pretty sure they don't consider a child in the womb to be a child either. Or at least government shouldn't protect them. I've always considered Libertarians to be the agnostics of the political world. Unwilling to really take a stand but love calling balls and strikes. Now the Constitutional party I could get behind but they have no clout in the political world.

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