Re: Evolution or not?
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If evolution means one critter changing into something better,,, then what did a possum use to be?? lol
All jokes aside,,, I believe in the one and only creator.. there’s just way too much going on for it to just happen on its own. Take all the pieces of a timex watch and put it in a pillowcase and shake it up.. what are your chances of getting a fully functional watch?? I do believe certain things do adapt,, but not change into an entirely different species.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Evolution. Just look at the scientific evidence Umm, where? In the fossil record there is not evidence of a transition between different life forms; such as phylum and class for example. There has been mutation and adaptation within species, genus and family, but that's about it.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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A question was asked and people are answering. I wouldn't call that a fight.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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If evolution means one critter changing into something better,,, then what did a possum use to be?? lol
All jokes aside,,, I believe in the one and only creator.. there’s just way too much going on for it to just happen on its own. Take all the pieces of a timex watch and put it in a pillowcase and shake it up.. what are your chances of getting a fully functional watch?? I do believe certain things do adapt,, but not change into an entirely different species. Possums come from peradectids. I'll take evolution here. Why? Evidence I suppose.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Where's the Half evolved Ape's or other animals? As impossible as the term half evolved.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Creation. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creation.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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What’s the real conflict or debate that is driving this question? I’m not just asking rhetorically (though, I may be headed in that direction), I really would like to know what makes this a hot-button issue for people here.
Personally, based on the evidence I’ve seen and the years I’ve spent living within this reality, I think some version of both must be true, and I don’t see much conflict between the two. All one has to do is take a close look at biological systems to see evolution happening. Reality doesn’t make sense without it. All one has to do is think logically about reality to see that whatever we call “reality” cannot exist as a closed system. Reality doesn’t make sense on its own. This leads me to believe that the debate here is both more specific and more general that just creation/evolution. Specifically, I’m assuming the acute cause of this debate has to do with the conflict between the Judeo-Christian worldview (probably based on a literal reading of its holy book) and a modern scientific materialist worldview (that claims that nothing exists unless it can be measured). Speaking generally, I’m assuming that the debate arises from questions about the nature of reality, whether there actually is something beyond what we can see, and what/if/how much we can know about it. I can expound on these topics if desired, but I really would like to know what is driving the question/concern/debate here – for the OP and others who seem to be passionate about it.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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What’s the real conflict or debate that is driving this question? I’m not just asking rhetorically (though, I may be headed in that direction), I really would like to know what makes this a hot-button issue for people here.
Personally, based on the evidence I’ve seen and the years I’ve spent living within this reality, I think some version of both must be true, and I don’t see much conflict between the two. All one has to do is take a close look at biological systems to see evolution happening. Reality doesn’t make sense without it. All one has to do is think logically about reality to see that whatever we call “reality” cannot exist as a closed system. Reality doesn’t make sense on its own. This leads me to believe that the debate here is both more specific and more general that just creation/evolution. Specifically, I’m assuming the acute cause of this debate has to do with the conflict between the Judeo-Christian worldview (probably based on a literal reading of its holy book) and a modern scientific materialist worldview (that claims that nothing exists unless it can be measured). Speaking generally, I’m assuming that the debate arises from questions about the nature of reality, whether there actually is something beyond what we can see, and what/if/how much we can know about it. I can expound on these topics if desired, but I really would like to know what is driving the question/concern/debate here – for the OP and others who seem to be passionate about it. It is a question that almost the entire world needs to think about. I was just curious what your thoughts were.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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If evolution means one critter changing into something better,,, then what did a possum use to be?? lol
All jokes aside,,, I believe in the one and only creator.. there’s just way too much going on for it to just happen on its own. Take all the pieces of a timex watch and put it in a pillowcase and shake it up.. what are your chances of getting a fully functional watch?? I do believe certain things do adapt,, but not change into an entirely different species. Possums come from peradectids. I'll take evolution here. Why? Evidence I suppose. What evidence? Could you name just one piece of evidence that supports evolution?
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Where's the Half evolved Ape's or other animals? This!^^^ Cuz if humans came from apes, then why are there apes that aren't humans?
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Evolution. Your God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful right?
If I saw a child being abused or molested I would stop it. Your all knowing and all powerful God does nothing about it.
And don't give me that "free will" BS.
We all have a free will. If we didn’t why do you make choices of what you want for breakfast each morning? If someone pulled a gun and pointed at your face and told you to give them all your money or the will kill you, do you have a free choice? Of course you do! Everyone knows which choice you will take though. God lets bad things happen because he gave each and every one of us a free will. It wasn’t his decision for us to have sin in our lives, we asked for it when Adam committed the first sin. When bad things happen it should drive us closer to God because of his strength and protection. Similarly when a father punishes his children. We all know he still loves us, and because of that love we love and cherish or parents today. If there is no such thing as God, or there is no higher power…why does a thing called “a conscience” bother you when you lie or steal? If there is no higher authority it wouldn’t matter, would it?
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Re: Evolution or not?
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What evidence? Could you name just one piece of evidence that supports evolution?
The physical evidence exists in museums around the world. The analysis of the evidence exists in manuscripts and books that are available at most university libraries. It's there, but you'll have to do some homework in order to see it. A Wikipedia page can point you in the right direction. Probably at least has pictures of some fossils and a few links that offer supporting information. Where's the Half evolved Ape's or other animals? This!^^^ Cuz if humans came from apes, then why are there apes that aren't humans? Evolutionary theory doesn't say that humans came from apes. It says that humans are apes. Any (and all) other species would share a common ancestor with humans.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Evolution. Your God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful right?
If I saw a child being abused or molested I would stop it. Your all knowing and all powerful God does nothing about it.
And don't give me that "free will" BS.
Well, he gave us free will. Don't know what you want to hear.
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Re: Evolution or not?
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Gunny Highway had it right… evolution is the same as improvise, adapt, and overcome!
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