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Re: Evolution or not? [Re: lumberjack391] #8360574
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
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You would be surprised at what washes ashore and turbulance underwater. Factors have to be right for a fossil to form. For every Ichthyosaur thats found probably 300 got destroyed. and never found. Mary Anning got lucky.


But to have enough silt or sand that would bury and kill a sea animal would be a lot more than turbulence could cause.

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Evolution of course That a microscopic cell could turn into a Gigantosaurus in a few million years and in another few million turn into a Hummingbird And a giant star (sun) made up of hydrogen and oxygen (unproven) can burn for billions of years and keep on going unlike any other combustible Whats not to like
The only flaw in evoluntion ary thinking is that some folks still think the last 4 years were the best ever and nothing should change Even the Chimpanzee's know better


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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Evolution of course That a microscopic cell could turn into a Gigantosaurus in a few million years and in another few million turn into a Hummingbird And a giant star (sun) made up of hydrogen and oxygen (unproven) can burn for billions of years and keep on going unlike any other combustible Whats not to like
The only flaw in evoluntion ary thinking is that some folks still think the last 4 years were the best ever and nothing should change Even the Chimpanzee's know better


So do you believe in Creation or evolution?

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8360724
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Originally Posted by Husky
What would have caused the earth to immediately stop for 30 seconds?

Mountain can be explained because the earth was all one giant supercontinent after the flood. The earth was divided soon after. 'To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth (erets) was divided' (Genesis 10:25). When the earth broke up it formed massive tectonic plates. These plates would collide with other plates and they would buckle up and form mountains. Look at the Appalachian Mountains, they were most likely formed when Africa slammed into the North American continent. If you notice in perpendicular line from the Appalachian mountains is the Atlas Mountains. Coincidence? I think not.

You sure is a smart feller.

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8360909
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Originally Posted by Husky
Originally Posted by lumberjack391
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You would be surprised at what washes ashore and turbulance underwater. Factors have to be right for a fossil to form. For every Ichthyosaur thats found probably 300 got destroyed. and never found. Mary Anning got lucky.


But to have enough silt or sand that would bury and kill a sea animal would be a lot more than turbulence could cause.

That was exactly my point. Conditions have to be just right for fossilization to occur. Flood, mudslide, quicksand, erosion etc. In most cases the animal was already dead before covered but in some cases buried alive.

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8360911
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How could a tree fossil form? They have been found upside down extending upwards into several rock layers. If your theory is to work each layer would have to be laid down and have time to harden before the next layer got added. All when the tree got turned upside down? Got any ideas?

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I never saw pictures of upside down trees but have seen standing trees fossilized. My only explanation is they got covered up quickly or the wood was really rot resistant LOL. It doesnt take that much covering to cover bones and I never said exactly how much covering is the perfect recipe.They could have been ;laying horizontally at first and then got heaved up by some catastrophic force.

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Mount Saint Helen is proof that tree's can be fossilized it a short period of time.
Bud not necessarily from a flood.
In this case it was a volcanic eruption.

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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Mount Saint Helen is proof that tree's can be fossilized it a short period of time.
Bud not necessarily from a flood.
In this case it was a volcanic eruption.


Were the trees upside down in several different layers of material?

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Tommyran] #8361215
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Originally Posted by Tommyran
Originally Posted by Husky
Another problem for evolutionists is how did fossils get made?



You have GOT to be trolling now. I can smell my own.

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Originally Posted by Tommyran
Originally Posted by nate
Evolution is a hoax,
God is here with us. Jesus is the way and the light and when that time comes, you better pray that you're on the right side of the fence.


Science doesn't care what I think.


We know

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Originally Posted by Husky
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Mount Saint Helen is proof that tree's can be fossilized it a short period of time.
Bud not necessarily from a flood.
In this case it was a volcanic eruption.


Were the trees upside down in several different layers of material?

I don't believe so .
My guess its multy layers of polly straight trees would be a result of the Great flood.
Or Noah's flood as those believing in the Biblical story including myself know it as.

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8361261
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Speaking of petrified trees. Over 75,000 square miles of Washington, Oregon, and Idaho were flooded with many (hundreds) of very fluid lava flows in what is known as "the Columbia river basalt flows". These flows occurred between about 6 million and 17 million years ago. Sometimes the periods between flows was thousands and thousands of years. This allowed entire ecosystems to become established between the different flow periods.

Sandwiched between these flows are fossils of animals and plants that are distinctly different from each other. Some have animals that include animals like rhinoceros, however there are no dinosaur fossils, so these flows occurred after they became extinct.

One particular flow covered what had been a large rather swampy ecosystem, there were layers of ginkgo trees that got fossilized between two of these basalt lava flows. You can visit what is called the Ginkgo Petrified Forest, it's pretty interesting.

Geology is very complex, and there is no "one size fits all" answer to what we observe in all these different examples.


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Interesting stuff.

Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8361263
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very interesting


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Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8361266
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In the first picture you can see some of the different flows of Columbia river basalt. Some flows occurred in fairly rapid succession, and other flows occurred with thousands of years between the flows, which allowed different ecosystems to become established.
The second picture is of some petrified logs that were between one of the periods of lava flows.
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There is unrefuted evidence of a great flood(s) coming across these basalt flows about 15,000 years ago. They are called the Bretz floods, or the Missoula floods. Some people believe this may have been the "Great Flood", possibly, however I think it was more localized, but who knows"? Regardless, it was rather recent in geological time, and definitely after the extinction of dinosaurs as is evidenced by the lack of dinosaur fossils between the various lava flows.
So, if you believe this was the "Great Flood", which it may have been. There were apparently no dinosaurs at the time of Noah.
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I think you have a sample size problem with that conclusion. To infer the absence of fossilized dinosaurs on that one tiny area of earth, in those snapshots of time, proves there was no living dinosaurs left on earth is a huge overreach. I have no idea if there were living dinosaurs at the time of Noah. But that is not evidence one way or the other.


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^^^^
You are right, it's just one piece of the puzzle.
Like I said, there is no one size fits all answer to some of these questions.


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Re: Evolution or not? [Re: Husky] #8361289
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Waggler, do you believe the scientists are correct when they claim dinosaurs went extinct at the end of the Cretaceous period..~65 million years ago according to them?


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