Losing while gambling shouldn't bother one unless the dealer is dealing off the bottom of a stacked deck. Most of the public have no idea what they are doing, but if the public didn't play where would the new money come from ?

Looks like another good day for short positions. Burn baby burn!!

This correction should have happened a year or so ago but 2024 was propped up by lots of political favors and lots and lots of sucker money ("you mean the stock market actually goes down...???). I guess some people think that all time highs are just normal...

You wouldn’t rather support your country by buying good American traps and have American steel to lay in the ground?

Central banks,,,

The market will go up and down. Always has, always will.

One of the problems with this country is we want it NOW. As trappers, if anyone knows we will, China plays the long game. Multiple year plans. The long game.

Remember when China was seen as just a cheap labor country that was no threat to us. Look at China now. They are playing the long game.

We have to play the long game. No way around it. I never thought I would worry about China but here we are. They are gaining and we are losing. When we toughen up and play hardball, even if it means some temporary pain for us, we start getting ahead again.

I like being the big dog on the hill. And that is the position from which we should want to always be. I am ok with being fair to a point. But when it isn't fair and I allow it to continue, the other dog will eventually be on the hill.

The world is ruled by brute strength and money. I am 100% ok with having the best and the most.

I can see how some people would be caught off guard by this. I mean Trump only gave you 4 years notice.

If you see a tornado coming it's always wise to take shelter before it gets there.

Ol dad

Most the public has internet and a smart phone, so they have all they need to learn. There's a wealth of knowledge all in the palm of their hand.

Definitely an interesting time to be in the market. I am surprised we are not getting more input from 17 and 49er.

I too want the US to be the big dog! The path we are on, nearing 40 trillion in debt, was not the path to remaining the big dog.

I can remember when little George Bush was promoting for people to put their social security money in the stock market. It didn't fly because of exactly what we are seeing right now. It can't be looked on as a secure retirement for old age and if was meant to be just for speculation, then why wouldn't there be a long for every short? Its designed for bringing in the public and their money into the store house. The old verbiage "the bulls and bears both make money and the pigs get eaten" is a reality!

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But can you actually believe anything you see or read anymore?

All you have to do is wait, as countries capitulate to the tariffs and a level playing field that has been created over decades. Most Americans have no clue how unbalanced our trade imbalance is. The markets will flip and climb, give it at least six months, enjoy the ride and the climb that will come. As well as business in America.

Do you consider it speculation when you get ready for work in the morning? They may shut it down, you may get in a wreck and die. Nothing is a sure thing. But we all evaluate the risk vs reward in every thing we do. They cam all be mitigated somewhat.

Myself I would rather have control of say my Ss money paid in and have it in an acount like a roth and put it in the market. I would need zero other retirement savings .if that had been done for my work life instead of going into the government theft slush fund.

Did you ever consider the up market was the result of the same factors ie QE and uncontrolled money creation?

I don't take gold bug as an insult. Try harder. Not that it's any of your business, it's less than 10 percent of my holdings

It wasn't hard to tell this was coming. If an investor was worried he could have pulled a buffet and went way long cash.

You claim to be a smart person. Do you really think the 70 times dividend was going to last in an over valued market.? Let's see, A dow hovering around 40,000 ? Not long ago if people thought it was going that high they would have peed themselves. What caused the fall in 2022? WHY did it go back up? Biden is the answer to the first. Government spending is the answer to the second . Had nothing to do with companies bottom lines. Dems handed out money like Halloween candy and it found its way into the stock market . Plain and simple........

I could have done better putting my ss money in CDs

If I could have put that money in the markets the last 30 years I would have been able to lose half the value and been better off

Byrd, that has been the status quo for several administrations.

Do not question or present facts to chicken little!!! He knows and you don't!!

Orange man bad.

Really ain't much to say. Just more government intervention in the markets only difference is this time they're not flooding it with cash.

Price of oil is down. Maybe we'll see some pipeline companies on sale


And I agree with you. The path we our on isn't sustainable

The average working guy with 3 kids don't have the time from his making a living to become a market guru. So maybe he could get hooked up with the likes of Bernie Madoff and switch from the government slush fund to a good ponzi scheme, lol. Actually the SS is a ponzi scheme dependent on future participants, lol.