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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8384445
04/10/25 05:10 PM
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Carl, my understanding is that the other genes are shared between the two species and therefore would not need edited. Just like if you were making a person.out of an orangutan sample, you would only need to edit the few genes that are different to do so.

Keith

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8384522
04/10/25 07:15 PM
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Great explanation Tatiana. I learned a lot. Hadn't realized that the wolf genome could be 2.5 billion base pairs.


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8384757
04/11/25 05:14 AM
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Our ancestors went to a lot of trouble to kill mammoths. Probably cause it was such an enormous amount of food and tool resources. Maybe cause they were delicious. If they make a sort of copy I wonder how much a steak will cost?


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8384811
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Lot of groceries in a Mammoth, most people on earth today had ancestors that ate those things....Heck, why not?... grin

As long as you didn't get ate by a Dire wolf... cool

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: Tatiana] #8384951
04/11/25 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
Originally Posted by KeithC
Carl, my understanding is that the other genes are shared between the two species and therefore would not need edited. Just like if you were making a person.out of an orangutan sample, you would only need to edit the few genes that are different to do so.

Keith



There are lots of more or less significant differences in most of the shared genes, since the two species aren't very close. However, most of these differences don't affect the phenotype, plus many genes seem to have no (known) function whatsoever. Figuring out which genes do affect the phenotype is a big challenge.

A sequenced genome and actual DNA in a live cell are two very different things.

Full-genome sequencing means a bunch of DNA is extracted (from fossils, in this case) and read, and if it's well-preserved, i.e. if there are plenty of fragments, say, over 10 000 base pairs long, it can be assembled into a genome by supercomputers without too many mistakes, usually using a reference genome of a related species as a helpful template. A wolf genome is about 2.5 billion base pairs long. There are plenty of repeating fragments, so smaller pieces cause more mistakes. A rough comparison would be, you can restore text reatively easily and accurately if you have a dozen identical books cut up into random fragments ranging from a paragraph to a couple of pages, but not if they are cut up into pieces 2-3 words long. So that sequenced DNA is a computer file. Essentially a text with some formatting. Fancy formatting if it's a modern chromosome-level assembly, nevertheless. A long way from actual DNA.

We can compare the dire wolf text with the wolf text, find the corresponding genes, assemble ("cook", in a lab) short fragments repesenting the differences in specific genes, and replace the corresponding stretches of DNA from a fresh wolf cell with dire wolf variants using the CRISPR-Cas9 "scissor" enzyme. So technically, they are regular wolves with several dire wolf genes copypasted into ther genome. Similarly, the "mammoths" they are hoping to "reconstruct" will be hairy elephants with perhaps a few other select mammoth phenotype traits.

None of the technologies that were used are brand new, but it's a lot of good work, and a lot of money. Pinpointing specific genes responsible for specific phenotypical traits is tedious and expensive. In fact, Colossal's previous creation, the mammoth mice, was probably a bigger challenge, technologically, but less PR-worthy. These technologies are routinely used in labs around the world but it's usually with very unimpressive creatures such as fruit flies.

And these wolves being put on "endangered" lists or released into the wild seems like a far-fetched concern since formally they are lab animals, and animal rights fascists (or rather, the budget thieves they are employed by) have plenty of other, legally easier options for actual wild animals (orcas, wolves, sea otters, etc) to weaponize = monetize.




Your scientific explanation of gene sequencing and splicing are spot on. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the scientists involved in the work are thinking nothing more than, "dire wolfs/wooly mammoths/sabertooth tigers/dinosaurs, cool!" They are geeks, and lets face it, those animals are cool to contemplate. But if you think that animal rights people aren't contemplating how to get them on the endangered species list, and how to use them to restrict or eliminate use/harvest/management of other animals, I think you are very naive.

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385011
04/11/25 12:47 PM
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We have been experimenting cloning farm animals for decades now. Messing around with extinct wildlife is truly interesting but the scary part is a human can also be cloned. In all countries humans are supposed to be off the list, but with countries not trusting the others, who knows what might be happening. Technology does not always create good results. Food for thought


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385080
04/11/25 03:06 PM
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I'm all for it. I want to clone myself so that the clone has to be the one to go shopping with my wife while I'm out trapping!


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: beaverpeeler] #8385250
04/11/25 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm all for it. I want to clone myself so that the clone has to be the one to go shopping with my wife while I'm out trapping!

LOL,,now yer thinkin. grin


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385282
04/11/25 08:16 PM
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Carl, you should clone your wife instead.

Keith

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385610
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"But if you think that animal rights people aren't contemplating how to get them on the endangered species list, and how to use them to restrict or eliminate use/harvest/management of other animals, I think you are very naive."

How about we turn this around. Now there is no need for an endangered species list at all, since we can bring anything back we want.

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: KeithC] #8385651
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Carl, you should clone your wife instead.

Keith


It already seems like there's two of them...that's enough!

But the expertise being gained here I think could be very useful to mankind. Think about the couples that have one or more of the nearly 1000 genetic diseases that are choosing not to have kids because of that. They could potentially edit out the faulty base pairs replicated in a gene and from there on out the family is free of a curse. I'll bet there's more applications than that too.

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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: beaverpeeler] #8385698
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by KeithC
Carl, you should clone your wife instead.

Keith


It already seems like there's two of them...that's enough!

But the expertise being gained here I think could be very useful to mankind. Think about the couples that have one or more of the nearly 1000 genetic diseases that are choosing not to have kids because of that. They could potentially edit out the faulty base pairs replicated in a gene and from there on out the family is free of a curse. I'll bet there's more applications than that too.


I agree that this technology is very useful for man too. That's not saying that bad or careless people could not cause disasters with this technology. I think overall, it will improve life for most people.

Keith

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385702
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Plus I want to go on a guided wooly mammoth hunt in Siberia someday.

(Hey Keith, I want to send you some Italian plum roots this week, the ones we talked about. That OK?)

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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: walleye101] #8385837
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Originally Posted by walleye101
"But if you think that animal rights people aren't contemplating how to get them on the endangered species list, and how to use them to restrict or eliminate use/harvest/management of other animals, I think you are very naive."

How about we turn this around. Now there is no need for an endangered species list at all, since we can bring anything back we want.

WHOA! For a guy from Minnesota you're thinking is spot on! What a great "argument" in a Federal Court!......... And I never mention that I'm from Colorado to anyone with a thought process. (At least I came here from Wyoming)!!!!

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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385842
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Should now be no more endangered species list.Allow all trapping with no restrictions for all species of animals.


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: Bruce T] #8385876
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Should now be no more endangered species list.Allow all trapping with no restrictions for all species of animals.

That’s just bad management. Guys on horses with .30-30’s near wiped North America clean of anything to eat for a while, and human populations were a lot lower then. If the same thing were to happen with the current population levels and the technology available, most animals would be looking at extinction pretty rapidly

Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: AK Timber Tramp] #8385883
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Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Originally Posted by Bruce T
Should now be no more endangered species list.Allow all trapping with no restrictions for all species of animals.

That’s just bad management. Guys on horses with .30-30’s near wiped North America clean of anything to eat for a while, and human populations were a lot lower then. If the same thing were to happen with the current population levels and the technology available, most animals would be looking at extinction pretty rapidly


Yep. No idea how a supposed sportsmen can keep posting about wanting to extirpate entire species. First it was wolves and now everything. Seasons and limits exist for a reason. In my state we have healthy populations of all the trappable species, and so have long seasons with no limits. But just imagine no limit on, say marten and fisher in MN, or marten in NY. It wouldn't be but a few years until they were all gone.

And it sure makes trappers in general look bad when people post stuff like that.


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8385891
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Didn’t they just find a bear thought to be extinct a few months ago?


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8386264
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I call BS on the whole article until they show me a wolf-like canine weighing 350 lbs and standing 60 inches at the shoulder.

And I work in "science", although not DNA research. I've done a lot of journal article reviews in the past 5 years (lots and lots of peer-reviewed journals out there and its a business, with the big name journals the most costly one out to get published in, especially if you want your work to be "open access" so anyone can read it). I can tell you there is as much "faith" in a lot of science as there is in various religious dogma.Various scams work by pushing the envelope a bit at a time until that "edge" is "accepted" and then later almost no one will challenge it.

As if "Jurassic Park" is real...


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Re: Dire Wolves cloned (extinct thousands of years) [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8386270
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350 pounds? Did not know they were so big. With the animals they preyed on it makes sense. Would need a bear trap.

google says 150

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