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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Providence Farm] #8391598
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
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Alcoholism is a disease, and with proper treatment a person can recover from it. For some it's believing in a higher power or an intense, inpatient twelve-step program; for some it's attending AA meetings; and for some, sadly, it's death. Everyone's definition of rock bottom is as different as there are people who are practicing alcoholics.

Don't be an enabler. It's tough love, but unfortunately, some will not recover until their support system disappears.



Cancer is a disease. Drug and alcohol consumption is a choice that can become an addiction.

Ticks me off when people call a deliberate choice a disease like the people have no choice. They do and they choose that path. Unlike childhood cancer or others that had no choice in the matter.

To me it's just giving them an excuse calling it a disease to get out of personal responsibility.

To the op you can't make the change for them they have to want to quit and really mean it not just say it becues they know they should.



Think what you'd like; you are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

One of the difficulties in recognizing alcoholism as a disease is it doesn't quite seem like one. It doesn't look, sound, or act like most diseases we know. And, generally, alcoholism remains hidden and resists treatment.

However, alcoholism has been recognized for many years by professional medical organizations as a primary, chronic, progressive, and sometimes fatal disease.


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391600
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Sorry to hear of this. Prayers to you and your family!

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391603
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c traps confused gender identity used to correctly be considered mental illness by those medical professionals but today look at it. Covid Vax was said safe and effective and recommend for children that had little to no risk.


You can believe what you want and give the addicta a victim statas if you like. To me it really cheaper those with real issued they can't walk away from.

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391605
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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391606
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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Providence Farm] #8391610
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by CTRAPS
Alcoholism is a disease, and with proper treatment a person can recover from it. For some it's believing in a higher power or an intense, inpatient twelve-step program; for some it's attending AA meetings; and for some, sadly, it's death. Everyone's definition of rock bottom is as different as there are people who are practicing alcoholics.

Don't be an enabler. It's tough love, but unfortunately, some will not recover until their support system disappears.



Cancer is a disease. Drug and alcohol consumption is a choice that can become an addiction.

Ticks me off when people call a deliberate choice a disease like the people have no choice. They do and they choose that path. Unlike childhood cancer or others that had no choice in the matter.

To me it's just giving them an excuse calling it a disease to get out of personal responsibility.

To the op you can't make the change for them they have to want to quit and really mean it not just say it becues they know they should.

100% Agree PF

They labeled it a disease to validate and get insurance to pay

100% Choice to start


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391621
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How does a person catch the disease of alcoholism?

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: loosegoose] #8391626
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
How does a person catch the disease of alcoholism?



One sip at a time? whistle


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Providence Farm] #8391640
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by CTRAPS
Alcoholism is a disease, and with proper treatment a person can recover from it. For some it's believing in a higher power or an intense, inpatient twelve-step program; for some it's attending AA meetings; and for some, sadly, it's death. Everyone's definition of rock bottom is as different as there are people who are practicing alcoholics.

Don't be an enabler. It's tough love, but unfortunately, some will not recover until their support system disappears.



Cancer is a disease. Drug and alcohol consumption is a choice that can become an addiction.

Ticks me off when people call a deliberate choice a disease like the people have no choice. They do and they choose that path. Unlike childhood cancer or others that had no choice in the matter.

To me it's just giving them an excuse calling it a disease to get out of personal responsibility.

To the op you can't make the change for them they have to want to quit and really mean it not just say it becues they know they should.

I agree with PF. Alcohol is an addiction, not a disease. It was started by a choice, just like smoking. As Loosegoose said, You can choose to stop an addiction, but you can't choose to stop cancer or any other disease you didn't have a choice in getting.


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Providence Farm] #8391648
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by CTRAPS
Alcoholism is a disease, and with proper treatment a person can recover from it. For some it's believing in a higher power or an intense, inpatient twelve-step program; for some it's attending AA meetings; and for some, sadly, it's death. Everyone's definition of rock bottom is as different as there are people who are practicing alcoholics.

Don't be an enabler. It's tough love, but unfortunately, some will not recover until their support system disappears.



Cancer is a disease. Drug and alcohol consumption is a choice that can become an addiction.

Ticks me off when people call a deliberate choice a disease like the people have no choice. They do and they choose that path. Unlike childhood cancer or others that had no choice in the matter.

To me it's just giving them an excuse calling it a disease to get out of personal responsibility.

To the op you can't make the change for them they have to want to quit and really mean it not just say it becues they know they should.


How far down that rabbit hole do we want to go , my friend ? There's a myriad of diseases that can be traced to lifestyle . Not saying I disagree with you as it is a choice , but so is obesity. COPD and emphysema is often linked to smoking . I knew two guys who died young due to complications from diabetes. They both managed it poorly and died pieces by piece. Choice ?


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391661
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Some of these disease points makes sense, but unfortunately people on Tman didn't write the definition of disease. Love it or hate it, it's a disease.


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Shakeyjake] #8391703
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Some of these disease points makes sense, but unfortunately people on Tman didn't write the definition of disease. Love it or hate it, it's a disease.

The definition is- A condition that impairs normal function_ So,,,If I eat poison mushrooms,,and get sick as a dog vomiting and diarrhea,,,did I have a disease?NO..Same as ingesting alcohol.Not a disease.You might end up with an addiction,,,but thats not a disease.

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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: upstateNY] #8391716
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
The definition is- A condition that impairs normal function_ So,,,If I eat poison mushrooms,,and get sick as a dog vomiting and diarrhea,,,did I have a disease?NO..Same as ingesting alcohol.Not a disease.You might end up with an addiction,,,but thats not a disease.

Oh crap, looks like I'm wrong. I thought alcohol impaired normal function. Thanks for the correction.
You got the definition right, but you're saying it's wrong? Look up as many as you want, it's still the same....lol.
Have you been drinking?


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391729
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A broken arm impairs normal function, but I don't think anyone would consider a broken arm to be a disease.

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391738
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Just look it up in any dictionary you want, read the definition, it'll avoid redundant comments. If you don't agree with it, motion your gov to change it to reflect what you think is the right one. Easy peasy!


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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391740
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What a stupid thing to argue about.

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: ~ADC~] #8391754
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What a stupid thing to argue about.


Kind of how I think. Disease or addiction there's one thing for sure, alcoholism ain't good.
Sorry to hear this is happening with your brother.

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Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: loosegoose] #8391767
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
How does a person catch the disease of alcoholism?

There is a genetic component to alcoholism. People with a family history of alcoholism have a higher probability of alcoholic behavior themselves, accounting for a predisposition of around 50%.

There are people who are capable of having one drink in a social setting (to ease anxiety, etc.) but no more, because they don't enjoy the experience of being drunk. Ask an alcoholic if they would want just one drink. For an alcoholic, getting drunk is the point.

You can call it a disease or you can call it a disorder; I'm not sure why it's such a big deal what you choose to call it.

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: foxkidd44] #8391770
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Booze destroys a lot of lives. Sorry about OP's brother.

One of the best decisions I ever made years ago was to never have another drink. Not even a drop. I cannot think of a good decision I made drunk.

Re: Another life destroyed by alcoholism [Re: Shakeyjake] #8391780
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Originally Posted by upstateNY
The definition is- A condition that impairs normal function_ So,,,If I eat poison mushrooms,,and get sick as a dog vomiting and diarrhea,,,did I have a disease?NO..Same as ingesting alcohol.Not a disease.You might end up with an addiction,,,but thats not a disease.

Oh crap, looks like I'm wrong. Thanks for the correction.
You got the definition right,
Have you been drinking?

Your welcome,,and no,,I havent been drinking YET. smile


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