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One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M #8393076
04/25/25 10:38 PM
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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393080
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if so, that is one stupid rancher. SSS

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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393168
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There was a reason wolves were wiped out.

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Sheepdog1] #8393171
04/26/25 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheepdog1
if so, that is one stupid rancher. SSS


You didn't read the article wink

Not the cost for the rancher killing a wolf, cost of lost livestock and production

But I agree with your thinking on the SSS

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393192
04/26/25 07:41 AM
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Non-lethal options for deterring wolves could strike a balance between the need to conserve wolves and the need to protect cattle, leaving “no dead cows, and no dead wolves,” she said.

The use of drones to haze wolves away from livestock herds is starting to show promise, she noted.
(Wolf and Wildlife Advocates president and founder Kim Bean)


Maybe Kim can get a sign up sheet going around for manning drones 24-7. . .

Side note: I recognize the last name Magagna. When I taught an elective in biology 15+ years ago a short video was incorporated featuring differing sides of the wolf conflict somewhere out west and the name Magagna stuck in my mind. Might be the same fella or a relative.


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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393202
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They tell the ranchers who ranch in wilderness areas it’s their fault for ranching in those areas? Wasn’t the ranchers who brought the wolf problem to their own doorstep.
Welcome to the hotel California er Colorado er whatever…..


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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393227
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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Osky] #8393230
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Originally Posted by Osky
They tell the ranchers who ranch in wilderness areas it’s their fault for ranching in those areas? Wasn’t the ranchers who brought the wolf problem to their own doorstep.
Welcome to the hotel California er Colorado er whatever…..


Osky


No it was the ranchers that got rid of the problem the first time. The libs brought them back.


Hmm the pro wolf crowd seems to be missing from this thread today for some reason? They have a lot of similarities to the anti kill wolf crouds they don't see. They both live in areas the impact of wolf's is not felt
Those in town and subdivisions or in large wilderness areas it's the same.

They don't deal with the losses on livestock or wilde game populations . They have no clue what it's like to not be legally able to keep the wolf population in check or in most places even kill one you see in the act of killing your stock.

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393233
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If you watch a wolf kill your livestock and you don’t shoot the wolf because of some law, you’re a pussyy

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393308
04/26/25 11:46 AM
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Around here it’s wolf country. I’m pro wolf because a Trapline would be pretty boring if they weren’t around. They’re easy to manage if you’re allowed. There was some problems last summer nearby, but 11 wolves later leaving at least 2 left makes a difference. The deer pop has a bit better chance to come back, giving this years pups some food without having to harass the cattle that are feeding on their turf, but everything’s fair game. Nobody told the wolf that his land doesn’t belong to him…..lol. We all know that a wolf doesn’t want to screw with momma cow with a calf unless absolutely necessary, momma deer being the less dangerous and the fawn much smaller than a calf, if they can grab it quick and high tail it outta there it’s a nice meal. We live around wolves on their land, but we can deal with them……life’s pretty simple.
Bear on the other hand is much more regulated. Some farmers openly tell an officer or Ag official that they’ll gut shoot em so they run off and die in the bush.


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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: NaturesTonic] #8393326
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Originally Posted by NaturesTonic
If you watch a wolf kill your livestock and you don’t shoot the wolf because of some law, you’re a pussyy

Spot on!

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Shakeyjake] #8393327
04/26/25 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Around here it’s wolf country. I’m pro wolf because a Trapline would be pretty boring if they weren’t around. They’re easy to manage if you’re allowed. There was some problems last summer nearby, but 11 wolves later leaving at least 2 left makes a difference. The deer pop has a bit better chance to come back, giving this years pups some food without having to harass the cattle that are feeding on their turf, but everything’s fair game. Nobody told the wolf that his land doesn’t belong to him…..lol. We all know that a wolf doesn’t want to screw with momma cow with a calf unless absolutely necessary, momma deer being the less dangerous and the fawn much smaller than a calf, if they can grab it quick and high tail it outta there it’s a nice meal. We live around wolves on their land, but we can deal with them……life’s pretty simple.
Bear on the other hand is much more regulated. Some farmers openly tell an officer or Ag official that they’ll gut shoot em so they run off and die in the bush.

Momma cow and calves are much easier to find in the states than deer fawns and a momma cow isn't much of a threat to wolves because they are so much quicker. A few distract her while one nabs the calf. Plus the cow doesn't stand guard over the calf 24/7.

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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: NaturesTonic] #8393329
04/26/25 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NaturesTonic
If you watch a wolf kill your livestock and you don’t shoot the wolf because of some law, you’re a pussyy


Agree. I couldn't care less about what the feds or state say on the issue. Or really any issue as it may relate to my farm.

I'll kill, grow, make, hire and do whatever I want.

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393394
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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Yes sir] #8393422
04/26/25 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
Around here it’s wolf country. I’m pro wolf because a Trapline would be pretty boring if they weren’t around. They’re easy to manage if you’re allowed. There was some problems last summer nearby, but 11 wolves later leaving at least 2 left makes a difference. The deer pop has a bit better chance to come back, giving this years pups some food without having to harass the cattle that are feeding on their turf, but everything’s fair game. Nobody told the wolf that his land doesn’t belong to him…..lol. We all know that a wolf doesn’t want to screw with momma cow with a calf unless absolutely necessary, momma deer being the less dangerous and the fawn much smaller than a calf, if they can grab it quick and high tail it outta there it’s a nice meal. We live around wolves on their land, but we can deal with them……life’s pretty simple.
Bear on the other hand is much more regulated. Some farmers openly tell an officer or Ag official that they’ll gut shoot em so they run off and die in the bush.

Momma cow and calves are much easier to find in the states than deer fawns and a momma cow isn't much of a threat to wolves because they are so much quicker. A few distract her while one nabs the calf. Plus the cow doesn't stand guard over the calf 24/7.

Round here, they know that one lucky strike from the cow and it’s over for that wolf. But I guess it’s still a problem even after Ag brought John Heart up for a few courses last summer.
This was published this February
https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/livestock/beef-producers-bring-wolf-predation-back-into-spotlight/

MTAs Gord Hannibal puts on a few courses a year and his students are having great success.
The deer pop here is pretty low, so the ranchers might have had troubles if there was 11 more hanging around, but there might be another 4-6 mouths to feed this summer with the 2 left around.
Manitoba Ag also has this “dealing with wildlife predation” thing but it ain’t working too good. Trapping was the only thing that reduced predation.
Another thing to keep in mind, no wolf or pack is the same and nothing is written in stone…..even the 10 commandments are just rough guidelines…lol

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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393424
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I got kicked twice this week working cows. Cows aren't that lethal lol

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393452
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You cowboys in Kansas sure are tough.


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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Shakeyjake] #8393501
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
You cowboys in Kansas sure are tough.

No just understand reality

Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Mac McAtee] #8393508
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Re: One California Wolf Can Cost Rancher $160M [Re: Yes sir] #8393534
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
You cowboys in Kansas sure are tough.

No just understand reality

Yep, that’s for sure.
We don’t get kicked out here that often.
Maybe you shouldn’t work with cows?…….lol

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