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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394809
04/29/25 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I was thinking more about this issue. I may be missing something but....

There is a President in office that really likes using executive orders. There are states (like New Mexico) where the state government has banned trapping--including on federal land. That same President has both houses of Congress.

Why no executive order or federal law reopening trapping on federal lands in states where it has been banned? Why no federal law restoring and protecting trapping?


States manage the wildlife on those lands except there is dual management in Alaska due to ANILCA. NPS does limit hunting and trapping on their land. That is law due to the Organic Act I believe.

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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394817
04/29/25 07:54 AM
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It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394818
04/29/25 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Trapping is important to trappers.

Think like a politician.

Trapper numbers are decreasing. Depending on the poll and/or location, the public opposes trapping. There is no meaningful pro trapping lobby spending big dollars.

Politicians pay attention to and vote for things that get them more votes. Or money. Or both.

A Democrat politician has only political gain when he opposes trapping.

A Republican politician may not oppose and may even support trapping but he is not going to spend any time or capital fighting for it in any meaningful way. At least most will not.

Unless, we put together a big PAC to shower the politicians with money. I guess a fur boom would increase numbers (votes).

Until then, trapping continues to have net losses. It sucks.


You can yes, find a political agenda or you can work on changing the common people perspective. If people enjoy and desire fur products the created market and its strength will go a long way and carry the day.
Both need to be done I know. Schools are on the frontline of the anti movement even to the youngest levels. More needs to be done starting there as an example.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394819
04/29/25 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.


I believe in States rights, except when I don't like what my State does. smile

Trump loves blackmail. Maybe he can blackmail them by withholding Pittman Robertson money?


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Dirt] #8394825
04/29/25 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.


I believe in States rights, except when I don't like what my State does. smile

Trump loves blackmail. Maybe he can blackmail them by withholding Pittman Robertson money?


We're assuming he doesn't sell off the public lands.

I however don't think he needs blackmail. I think he could restore trapping on all federal lands by agency rule, executive order or federal law.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8394850
04/29/25 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I've always voted for the person rather than straight down party line... but I do get what you're saying Swampy.

I used to say that, but I've only voted for one Democrat in my life. And he was a Republican who switched parties to run against the incumbent Republican. I have voted for an Independent in a couple of local elections, but as a general rule, if you aren't voting for one of the big two parties, you are throwing your vote away.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394862
04/29/25 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.

I suppose he has the time to change the check times, jaw width, trapping seasons, bag limits. etc etc, also, you know in his first hunnerd days, you know cause hes got nuthin else going on. If he did reopen trapping you would complain he didnt do it soon enough ,or often enough or inclusive enough .

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8394864
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Gerald, I'm a life-long democrat but you're right, democrat representatives have decided that anti trapping is part of their base agenda. And of course most of their constituents that are democrats most likely support that.

I've got some soul searching to do. I will not vote in the future for any of them that voted for this bill.

It's already too late if you voted for them in the past.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Diggerman] #8394867
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.

I suppose he has the time to change the check times, jaw width, trapping seasons, bag limits. etc etc, also, you know in his first hunnerd days, you know cause hes got nuthin else going on. If he did reopen trapping you would complain he didnt do it soon enough ,or often enough or inclusive enough .


He has time to be the Chair of the Kennedy Center and other nonsense. Lots of time to golf.

It's simple. Delegate it to the agencies. Make Trapping Great Again (on federal lands).

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394869
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I've lived in Oregon most of my life, politics have always been controlled by Portland and the Willamette Valley. With the last governor and the current governor we are becoming a California. The gun bill that passed a while back now the democrats are adding to it,things the voters never voted on. The Democrat controlled state seems to be able to vote in anything they want without the vote of the people. Every year it gets worse. You only get a
deer and elk tag every 3 or 4 years. They stopped bear and lion hunting with dogs and now between the lions and wolves they are wiping out a lot of our big game, About one more of their crappie bills and my wife and I are leaving this state

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394891
04/29/25 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I was thinking more about this issue. I may be missing something but....

There is a President in office that really likes using executive orders. There are states (like New Mexico) where the state government has banned trapping--including on federal land. That same President has both houses of Congress.

Why no executive order or federal law reopening trapping on federal lands in states where it has been banned? Why no federal law restoring and protecting trapping?


Surely you know the answer. Wildlife is strictly the purview of the states.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: warrior] #8394897
04/29/25 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Blaine County
I was thinking more about this issue. I may be missing something but....

There is a President in office that really likes using executive orders. There are states (like New Mexico) where the state government has banned trapping--including on federal land. That same President has both houses of Congress.

Why no executive order or federal law reopening trapping on federal lands in states where it has been banned? Why no federal law restoring and protecting trapping?


Surely you know the answer. Wildlife is strictly the purview of the states.


That is not true.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394901
04/29/25 10:32 AM
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Except on this acreage...its true...
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394902
04/29/25 10:32 AM
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BC, unless an animal is endangered or threatened in is in the states hand's

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8394904
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Except on this acreage...its true...
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That's what we are talking about.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: wetdog] #8394907
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Originally Posted by wetdog
BC, unless an animal is endangered or threatened in is in the states hand's


Are dove's endangered or threatened?

The feds can control, for example, BLM lands should the feds decide to do it.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8394912
04/29/25 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by wetdog
BC, unless an animal is endangered or threatened in is in the states hand's


Are dove's endangered or threatened?

The feds can control, for example, BLM lands should the feds decide to do it.

Migratory birds are under Fed rules because they don't stay in one state
But each state makes rules for those birds also
Try again

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Except on this acreage...its true...
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That's what we are talking about.

Yes...yes...I know that.

2.26 billion acres of land in the US. State wildlife management controls most of it. The state agencies have input on those migratory birds such as doves and ducks too.

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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Diggerman] #8394916
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.

I suppose he has the time to change the check times, jaw width, trapping seasons, bag limits. etc etc, also, you know in his first hunnerd days, you know cause hes got nuthin else going on. If he did reopen trapping you would complain he didnt do it soon enough ,or often enough or inclusive enough .

He's been in office 100 days. With the mess he inherited he's been very busy especially with the opposition he's been getting from the left at every turn. The border is a good example. He needs to get the things done that will make the country safe to live in again. When Biden took office he spent all his time right away with executive actions reversing drilling and most everything that was in place. Then, you didn't hardly hear from him for the next 100 days. Trump is doing the things he said he would do as soon as he took office. This is what got him elected and the fact that Biden was such a pathetic excuse for a president.


More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.
Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394919
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But still Trumps fault, yes?

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