Re: Debate
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My view is God created everything but used evolution as the tool to do it. Who are we to question the creator and his methods? Shame on those that do. So are you saying that the Genesis account of Creation is a false story? All evidence appears to prove Genesis it is just a story, made up to explain how the earth was created, by very primitive people. Besides the belief instilled in you at a young age, which isn't proof, why do you think Genesis is true? Keith
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/04/25 04:45 PM
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Agree with Keith, but rather than use the word primitive I would just say that it was commonplace before the age of science to come up with a lot of explanations that would mostly be laughable now. Explanations by most Indian tribes about how they got here are routinely scoffed at by most, but here you have a woman being made out of Adams rib and that rings of truth?
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Re: Debate
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05/04/25 04:58 PM
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Agree with Keith, but rather than use the word primitive I would just say that it was commonplace before the age of science to come up with a lot of explanations that would mostly be laughable now. Explanations by most Indian tribes about how they got here are routinely scoffed at by most, but here you have a woman being made out of Adams rib and that rings of truth? Do you reckon the writer of that would have known at that time that the human rib can replicate it self. Why not just use some other bone of the body none of which can replicate it self. Just funny that one bone was chosen.
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/04/25 05:27 PM
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The reason I believe the Genesis account of Creation to be true is ALL Creation shows that there was a designer. Evolution is an idea people thought up that was designed to deny God. All things can be explained thru Creation while evolution leaves ALOT of questions in my mind. Most on here believe things leave tracks. The designer of this world left tracks galore. One other thing I noticed was trying to combine evolution and mother nature as God gets a little tricky. Could God create using nature ? Yes. But if one tries to combine the two as being equal, then that is reverting back to paganism as in worship of the creature instead of the creator?
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/05/25 12:08 AM
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The reason I believe the Genesis account of Creation to be true is ALL Creation shows that there was a designer. Evolution is an idea people thought up that was designed to deny God. All things can be explained thru Creation while evolution leaves ALOT of questions in my mind. Can I ask why there cannot be Creation via Evolution? I think you may find that your bias is chafing at you a bit.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 01:02 AM
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My view is God created everything but used evolution as the tool to do it. Who are we to question the creator and his methods? Shame on those that do. So are you saying that the Genesis account of Creation is a false story? While I don't believe in Divine evolution, a person can be a genuine believer on Jesus Christ and still hold that view. After all, Genisis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". "And the earth was formless and void". The Hebrew word for formless and void is chaos. A lot of time may have happened between " in the beginning" and the creation of Adam. We have no idea of the when or how, we just know that God had a plan.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 01:20 AM
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:::::Silently praying to Husky's God that white17 chooses to debate him..... :::
Would be the best post on here in decades!!!! As in a good debate or a really bad one??
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 01:30 AM
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:::::Silently praying to Husky's God that white17 chooses to debate him..... :::
Would be the best post on here in decades!!!! As in a good debate or a really bad one?? Well, doesn't that depend on point of view?? White is hands down the most knowledgeable from the atheist perspective. I just think it would be fun to see the two of you debate. I told him the same as well. Hope he takes ya up on it.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 01:55 AM
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Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?
Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.
The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect? The World stopped being perfect after that woman took a bite of the fruit.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 03:21 AM
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Husky, just a couple of questions, maybe three. First one; What day do you say "in the beginning" was? Nobody really knows what that entirely means, but my guess is it’s referring to the beginning of the universe.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 03:23 AM
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Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?
Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.
The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect? The World stopped being perfect after that woman took a bite of the fruit. Correction, it happened after Adam ate the fruit.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 07:02 AM
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Stephen C. Meyer argues for the existence of a Creator primarily through the framework of Intelligent Design, combining insights from biology, cosmology, and philosophy. His key arguments can be summarized as follows:
Information in DNA: Meyer contends that the digital code and complex specified information found in DNA cannot be explained by naturalistic processes like evolution or chance. He argues that, just as information in software comes from a mind, so too must the information in DNA come from an intelligent source.
Origin of Life: He claims that no naturalistic explanation (chemical evolution, self-organization, etc.) adequately accounts for the origin of the first life. Therefore, he posits that a designing intelligence is the best explanation for life’s emergence.
Fine-Tuning of the Universe: Meyer points to the precise values of physical constants (e.g., gravity, the cosmological constant) that allow for life. He argues this fine-tuning is best explained not by chance or multiverse theories, but by a purposeful Creator.
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Re: Debate
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05/05/25 07:29 AM
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Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?
Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.
The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect? The World stopped being perfect after that woman took a bite of the fruit. Before we say it was the womans fault. May as well blame Adam for being a cheap skate, after all he only gave a rib for the woman. Just think what kind of woman he could have got if had give an arm and leg for her!
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