I am willing to make a couple suggestions to you Husky.
First....pay attention to what Waggler is trying to tell you. Remember what F.Scott Fitzgerald said....“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function"

Next.........in reference to your belief in a 6000 year old Earth, and universe........ There are currently, live trees in Sweden that date to over 8000 years old and one of them dates to over 9500 years. Derived by C14 dating of the live roots. C14 is quite accurate back to about 20,000 years. Beyond that and you need to switch systems..........but C14 has an accuracy of 50-100 years. Essentially nothing when dealing with ages you are talking about.

Also, very near your location is an archeological dig that has unearthed and identified....a molar and skull fragments of a three year old child that dates back to about 11000 years ago. The child was buried in a fire pit in an underground shelter... which were common in Alaska at that time. The associated charcoal remains in the fire pit are a perfect substances for C14 dating, as are the bone fragments. You can see these exhibits at the UAF museum in Fairbanks.

Give some thought to how it is possible for the Earth, our solar system and the universe to be all the same age..roughly.

Even within our own solar system there are a few objects that are three times the age of the sun and our planets. And in the remainder of the universe there are billions more of similar antiquity. I doubt you will believe any of that so here are a couple more sincere suggestions.

Go visit Yellowstone Park. Pay attention to the geology and maybe even talk to a ranger there if there is one that is knowledgeable on the subject. You will find that the current iteration of Yellowstone is the creation of a volcanic eruption 640,000 years ago. This can be dated by the local geology there. Especially a feature known as the Obsidian Cliffs. These are far too old to be dated by C14 method. In this case scientists have used the decay of potassium 40...K40 into its daughter element Argon 40..AR40. AR40 is a "noble" element. It does not decay further. It is stable. Since we can measure the ratio in the existing rock of K40 to AR40.......and we know the rate of decay of K40........we can calculate the age of the original rock formation event.

This eruption is only the latest one at Yellowstone. There have been at least two others that were much larger and much earlier. We can still see much earlier evidence of those events in a line that stretches southwest from Yellowstone ....across Idaho to the Oregon border. We can see a similar thing in the Hawaiian Islands. Those islands were all formed the same way at roughly the same spot. Due to plate tectonics those earlier islands are moving toward Asia until the oldest disappear beneath the surface as the Emperor Sea Mounts......plunging into the Aleutian Trench

So, since you are just 15, rather than suggest a college course in geology I am going to suggest two excellent DVD series that you can very likely get at a library near you.

This one is a decent introduction to the geology in general. The Prof that gives these lectures is very open to questions and will answer you as time permits. You can email him

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-world-s-greatest-geological-wonders-36-spectacular-sites


https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/cosmology-the-history-and-nature-of-our-universe

This one will challenge you in a lot of ways. I suspect you will disbelieve a lot of it and some of it will seem like the prof is speaking a foreign language. I would encourage you to watch the whole thing. I think there are 36 lectures. Ignore the math if it gets confusing. The concepts of what we know and how we know it are more important than the math that proves it.

Last thing. Is a book. African Genesis by Robert Ardrey. Ardrey was educated as a zoologist but spent most of his life as a playwright. Consequently, the book is easy to read and I found it to reveal some amazing insights to the real world of nature and our place in it.
The book is out of print but I'm sure most any library will have it..or a used bookstore in Fairbanks

A gorilla was bad juju on the memes thread last night. Best not go there again.

.. that’s what I was going to say lol

Good post White, very informative.

How do evolutionists all the different varieties of animals on the earth?

How big would the ark have been if it actually had that many animals on it.
I mean, there would have to be evolution. Right? I forget the total numbers, but it would be more than could fit on that boat.

There was two of every kind in the Ark. Which could mean two dogs that would have all the genetic material for every species of dog in the world. It would also seem logical to have the animals in the ark be babies instead of full grown adults.

That was just the unclean animals. He took 7 pairs each of the clean one.



But, how long for all those “kinds” to evolve into each species.

And it was pretty clear it was a lot of different kinds.




And even if they were babies, that’s a lot of room. But, I guess if it’s going to be done, it would have to be God that makes it possible, because physics and math sure isn’t going to make it work.


And what would it have started at?

The domain, kingdom, phylum, class, order, family or genus?

And which is the “kind”?

The kind is pretty easy to explain. A wolf and a dingo, same kind. Wolf and a lion, not the same kind. Think of dogs, cats, lizards, and snakes as their own kinds.

My guess it would have started at Order.

At the risk of promoting a new breed of philosopher by not rejecting foolish and ignorant speculation, and for the reason we know that it breeds quarreling by not refusing foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife. With that in mind I ask:

Can you prove the house cat even exists by using only the bible?

And what breed of dog could it have possibly been that was with Tobiah on his trip in the Book of Tobit?

All we have to do is look up into the night sky and see the stars that are millions of light years away. If the universe were created 6000 years ago, the light from those stars wouldn't have had enough time to reach us yet and we wouldn't be able to see them.

I don't think anyone of normal intelligence would believe the entire myth of Noah, unless they were taught it as the truth as a child, especially if their first exposure to the myth was after age 25.

Keith

What do you mean can I prove the house cat exists only using the Bible?
And what is the Book of Tobit??

There are so many things that I or nobody else can fully comprehend about God. An all powerful God like Him would obviously be powerful enough to bring the light to the earth regardless of how far it was. After all, he was the creator of light.

What about the Flood do you not understand?

I have no doubt that He is powerful enough, but I don't know why he would go through all the trouble to bring the light from those stars to earth and mess with the rate of radioactive decay to mess up our radiocarbon dating measurements. Why would he do all these things to throw off our observations and scientific instruments? He gave man the intellect and curiosity to learn about and study His creation; He wants us to do this. So why would he troll us with false measurements?

The Bible was written by people. The authors were inspired by God but they were not writing a science book. The stories in Genesis, in particular, shouldn't be read as literal histories of the world, but we should seek to understand the lessons those stories convey.

The stories of Utnapishtim and Noah sound similar. The native Americans have a version also which I can see might have came about by not having the written word and was handed down by mouth and possibly much was lost. But the account of Utnapishtim is probably older than the account of Noah.

Every single statement the Bible makes is true and has been proven true. If you are saying the Genesis account of Creation is wrong than you are saying the entire Bible is wrong too. Like I said earlier, find one lie or false statement in the Bible. Just so you know, you’re going to have some trouble finding one.

There are TWO stories of creation in Genesis.

In the first story of creation, God creates the land animals before He creates man. Genesis 1:25-27
In the second story of creation, God creates man first and then He creates the animals and brings them before the man to name them. Genesis 2:19-20

They can't both be the literal truth; they contradict each other. So which one is false?

Husky, not accepting biblical stories as truth does not mean accepting evolution and big bang as truth. The bible is full of wisdom and science has been able to unravel a lot of mysteries. There are things we just dont have answers for. Being human and curious we keep looking though.