Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 01:56 AM
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 09:11 AM
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coondagger2
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Swamp, I just finished the survey. Some things in there that need to really be looked at:
1) No foothold traps with a jaw spread over 5.75" including those set in the water for beaver 2) All footholds must have offset or rubber jaws 3) No drowning sets allowed 4) Traps or Snares cannot be set within 300 feet of a road 5) Prohibits snare entanglement/kill poles
I tried to educate them on each of those topics. Small foothold traps staked to the bank are a recipe for disaster with beaver. If the point of this regulations is to promote humane trapping, they missed the mark on that one. Large foothold drowning sets are MUCH more humane.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 09:16 AM
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wiley one
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done. fingers crossed. thanks, swampie for bringing this to our attention!
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 10:35 AM
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HayDay
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Not being a FL resident, I did not participate in their survey. But I did review some of their FAQ's and came away thinking when it comes to wildlife damage and animal control, FWC are not a serious bunch. Case in point is how they address the issue of the Burmese Python. They moan and groan about the damage pythons have done, yet place all kinds of restrictions on how to hunt and kill them. It seems they mainly want you to hunt them by hand, a slow, tedious and potentially dangerous way to do it, Trapping them is not allowed. There is an annual roundup event, but one report I read said in 2023, they only caught 200 snakes total. Considering the bounty they pay (as much as $200 per snake) I'd think a skilled and financially motivated trapper could do that in a week. A hoard of those guys could put the hurt on them in a hurry.
One could almost be forgiven for thinking they now see these snakes as a resource to manage vs an invasive nuisance to be rid of. Ergo, not a serious bunch.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: coondagger2]
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05/13/25 10:46 AM
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Swamp, I just finished the survey. Some things in there that need to really be looked at:
1) No foothold traps with a jaw spread over 5.75" including those set in the water for beaver 2) All footholds must have offset or rubber jaws 3) No drowning sets allowed 4) Traps or Snares cannot be set within 300 feet of a road 5) Prohibits snare entanglement/kill poles
I tried to educate them on each of those topics. Small foothold traps staked to the bank are a recipe for disaster with beaver. If the point of this regulations is to promote humane trapping, they missed the mark on that one. Large foothold drowning sets are MUCH more humane.
I did the same thing as you on the same topics. Not sure it'll matter, but no exceptions for beaver foothold size, no drowning sets, and no entanglement allowed is indicative that these regs were written by a person that knows little about trapping. Still, if these reg changes are made, Florida trappers will get their traps back. They currently can only snare and cage trap
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: HayDay]
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05/13/25 11:05 AM
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Not being a FL resident, I did not participate in their survey. But I did review some of their FAQ's and came away thinking when it comes to wildlife damage and animal control, FWC are not a serious bunch. Case in point is how they address the issue of the Burmese Python. They moan and groan about the damage pythons have done, yet place all kinds of restrictions on how to hunt and kill them. It seems they mainly want you to hunt them by hand, a slow, tedious and potentially dangerous way to do it, Trapping them is not allowed. There is an annual roundup event, but one report I read said in 2023, they only caught 200 snakes total. Considering the bounty they pay (as much as $200 per snake) I'd think a skilled and financially motivated trapper could do that in a week. A hoard of those guys could put the hurt on them in a hurry.
One could almost be forgiven for thinking they now see these snakes as a resource to manage vs an invasive nuisance to be rid of. Ergo, not a serious bunch. You apparently have never visited the terrain in question. Traps for such large snakes would be ineffective and catch far more native species many of which either are endangered or near endangered. The terrain is flat, pool table flat, often wet and every square inch up to eight foot high occupied by a grass, palm, palmetto, moss, orchid, briar and if not that then cheek to jowl row upon row of suburbia. Oh, and every bit of that has both venomous snakes and crocodilians. You also will share most of this terrain with snowbirds, foreigner s both legal and illegal, DEA and ICE, various state and feds, tree huggers, developers and cattlemen aka crackers. You're not turning loose bubba with guns in most of South Florida.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 11:29 AM
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HayDay
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I remember seeing such a place once. It was a retention pond next to a hotel parking lot. Remember thinking I wouldn't want to set foot in it let alone try to make my way 100 feet to the other side. An impenetrable death trap But I was thinking more in terms of remote areas out in the Everglades. Cages and other methods that don't require a guy to crawl around in the bushes looking for a snake to grab by hand.
Last edited by HayDay; 05/13/25 02:05 PM.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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05/13/25 12:50 PM
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Buck (Zandra)
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This is a first.A state coming back around to steel traps after having outlawed them in 1973.I dont understand the beaver regs,but I wouldn't bother with the rubber jaw/offset jaw portion.They work and its one heck of a lot better than where they've been the last 53 years.
Last edited by Buck (Zandra); 05/13/25 12:51 PM.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: Buck (Zandra)]
#8402774
05/13/25 01:20 PM
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Georgia
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This is a first.A state coming back around to steel traps after having outlawed them in 1973.I dont understand the beaver regs,but I wouldn't bother with the rubber jaw/offset jaw portion.They work and its one heck of a lot better than where they've been the last 53 years. Florida doesn't have alot of beaver. They only go into the panhandle and north Florida roughly above Ocala to Gainesville.
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: warrior]
#8402882
05/13/25 04:58 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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Not being a FL resident, I did not participate in their survey. But I did review some of their FAQ's and came away thinking when it comes to wildlife damage and animal control, FWC are not a serious bunch. Case in point is how they address the issue of the Burmese Python. They moan and groan about the damage pythons have done, yet place all kinds of restrictions on how to hunt and kill them. It seems they mainly want you to hunt them by hand, a slow, tedious and potentially dangerous way to do it, Trapping them is not allowed. There is an annual roundup event, but one report I read said in 2023, they only caught 200 snakes total. Considering the bounty they pay (as much as $200 per snake) I'd think a skilled and financially motivated trapper could do that in a week. A hoard of those guys could put the hurt on them in a hurry.
One could almost be forgiven for thinking they now see these snakes as a resource to manage vs an invasive nuisance to be rid of. Ergo, not a serious bunch. You apparently have never visited the terrain in question. Traps for such large snakes would be ineffective and catch far more native species many of which either are endangered or near endangered. The terrain is flat, pool table flat, often wet and every square inch up to eight foot high occupied by a grass, palm, palmetto, moss, orchid, briar and if not that then cheek to jowl row upon row of suburbia. Oh, and every bit of that has both venomous snakes and crocodilians. You also will share most of this terrain with snowbirds, foreigner s both legal and illegal, DEA and ICE, various state and feds, tree huggers, developers and cattlemen aka crackers. You're not turning loose bubba with guns in most of South Florida. Perfect description of South Florida!
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Re: Florida Trapping Public Unput
[Re: loosanarrow]
#8402932
05/13/25 07:05 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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I did it as non resident. Wow, no drowning sets and no footholds over 5-3/4” if I remember that correctly. Thats some serious restriction for beaver trapping. Looks like beaver trappers will still have to operate under a special permit.
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