Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/14/25 02:44 PM
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Friend of mine built some ponds on his place, after they filled he put those minnows in and by the next year there were thousands of them....so they found something to eat right away. The ponds were spring fed, he never fed them
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/14/25 04:21 PM
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St. Louis Co, Mo
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Be very careful about planting cattail, It will spread like wildfire and when they go dormant in the fall the vegetation will go in the pond and eventually fill it up very shallow, and nothing else can live in it. Same for moss like coon tail, or lotus.
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
[Re: ToTheWoods]
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05/15/25 07:43 AM
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I'm with BigBob on the cattails. We have a pond that has been over run with cattails. Eradicating them is difficult as you have to kill them below the water line or pull the root out. Then they come back the following year and you are doing it all over again. We finally hired a tract hoe to come in and re-dig the entire shore line. Buy some RTU Sonar herbicide. Make short work of any vegetation in the water effortlessly ! Once treated it will take several years for them to return .
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/15/25 12:04 PM
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Their roots can destroy a pond liner also
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/15/25 06:42 PM
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Plastic is bad for the environment,,,, Next time clay line it
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/16/25 06:32 AM
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A few plants of broadleaf (native) cattail started growing in the swamp next to my pond a few years ago. I tried transplanting some to the pond but my knucklehead labs kept trampling it to death during their many daily swims.
It hasn't spread much in the swamp since I first saw it 3-4 years ago.
If it had been invasive narrowleaf cattail I would have destroyed it immediately.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/16/25 03:25 PM
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But the root is edible and quite tasty!
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/16/25 04:15 PM
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Agree the cattails will be put to use both for us and the pigs will get to eat them. This whole thing has been a few years in the making. First I wanted to keep everything local so I hired a guy here to dig the pond, trouble is he can dig but doesn't know squat about ponds. First he said bentonite to line it, have a lot of clay in the soil to start. Trouble is he didn't pack the ground tight first, skated out of it when I suggested it. Put a couple tons of bentonite only to have it leak what water I put in. Got a hand tamper and did what I could, held kinda some water. Wiated a year or so then called him and said we got to do something here, a few grand spent so far. He says call this place out of Bozeman that specalizes in pond building, should have done that from the start instead of worrying about helping local. Anyway another few grand and now I have a pond that holds, he sThis summers plan is to put a pump in and run that water into an old abandoned irrigation ditch that I lined, it will go through a bunch of rocks and plants, collect in a pool and them pumped back into the pond through a waterfall I'll make. I have pumps and solar generators for each, inflow and out flow. Give a bit of water flow and filtration too. Have an aerator on the bottom as well.Pond guy said he's grown some big trout in that type setup. I want bluegills and such too because that's what was in my grandparents ponds. Something like this really is a neat addition to the place, Thanks for the replies
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/16/25 04:44 PM
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Something like this really is a neat addition to the place, Ponds really are a great addition to any property. When I bought this place back in 89 there was a small, spring-fed, hand-dug pond here. It was used to water livestock, part of my property used to be pasture. I dug it bigger with my backhoe and put a stone bridge with a 24" culvert under it where the spring creek exits the property a hundred yards or so from the pond. My kids spent endless hours down there exploring and catching frogs and anything else they can get a hold of. Now my grandkids do the same thing. I love sitting down there and trying to ID the endless stream of green frogs, bull frogs, crayfish, salamanders, tadpoles and whatever else they bring me for inspection and congratulations. My dogs swim in the pond multiple times a day spring through fall and my kids bring their dogs over on the weekends and they all go swimming. A few years ago we started having our annual rubber ducky races in the spring when water flow was highest. It's a blast and everybody enjoys it.
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Re: Getting a Pond Going
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05/16/25 09:23 PM
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Agree the cattails will be put to use both for us and the pigs will get to eat them. This whole thing has been a few years in the making. First I wanted to keep everything local so I hired a guy here to dig the pond, trouble is he can dig but doesn't know squat about ponds. First he said bentonite to line it, have a lot of clay in the soil to start. Trouble is he didn't pack the ground tight first, skated out of it when I suggested it. Put a couple tons of bentonite only to have it leak what water I put in. Got a hand tamper and did what I could, held kinda some water. Wiated a year or so then called him and said we got to do something here, a few grand spent so far. He says call this place out of Bozeman that specalizes in pond building, should have done that from the start instead of worrying about helping local. Anyway another few grand and now I have a pond that holds, he sThis summers plan is to put a pump in and run that water into an old abandoned irrigation ditch that I lined, it will go through a bunch of rocks and plants, collect in a pool and them pumped back into the pond through a waterfall I'll make. I have pumps and solar generators for each, inflow and out flow. Give a bit of water flow and filtration too. Have an aerator on the bottom as well.Pond guy said he's grown some big trout in that type setup. I want bluegills and such too because that's what was in my grandparents ponds. Something like this really is a neat addition to the place, Thanks for the replies Sounds like you are installing an oversized bog filter. They are pretty good at filtering large quantities of water. I am familiar with them due to aquascape designs. Good resource for information. Many blogs have a perforated pipe attached to a sump. It is handy to have the sump big enough to fit a pump every now and then to remove excess sediment. Agree with the comments about coattails in the pond itself. If they get out of hand, cutting below the waterline at a specific time of year will drown them. In Minnesota late July to early August is about right. Your area may vary. It sounds strange drowning a cattail, but it is around a 90 percent kill rate if timed correctly. Is it a butly liner ? For your original question. The pond should provide plenty of food for the minnows on its own. I would probably not drink a cup of tap water that has been sitting on my deck for a month because there is most likely stuff living in that water. Spiking the pond to promote algae as already suggested or throwing in some fish food every now and then will probably help build the minnow population faster. With an aerator the bluegill and trout will do just fine in ten feet of water. Run that aerator in the winter too. Winterkill is caused by ice trapping toxic gas in the pond. The aerator will blow hole in the ice and allow the toxic gas to escape. Have a customer with 16 koi that range from 10" - 20" long. They overwinter in a 36" deep, - approx. 4000 gallon pond. In the twelve years I have cleaned it in the spring I have only ever found one dead fish. That pond is older than 12 years as was the dead fish. Quite likely the fish died of old age. Sounds like a fun pond
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