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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408119
05/23/25 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
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So, serious question as I've really not followed the evolution debate at all......... but has anyone attempted to impregnate a modern ape with human semen?


Although it's possible attempts could have been made (likely after the discovery of fermented juices) a viable offspring would not have been possible. We have 23 pairs of chromosomes while the other apes have 24.
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They have done it in Japan
Ever hear of CRISPER?

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Originally Posted by Newt
I'll stick to Geneses


That's fine. Sure a lot of scrambling around though to account for the fossil record if you have the Genesis story stuck in your craw.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408125
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Wetdog, so you're saying that in Japan they've used CRISPR to produce Ape-Human hybrids?

I'm kind of guessing that would be a fast way to get your lab shut down forever.

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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408127
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
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So, serious question as I've really not followed the evolution debate at all......... but has anyone attempted to impregnate a modern ape with human semen?


Although it's possible attempts could have been made (likely after the discovery of fermented juices) a viable offspring would not have been possible. We have 23 pairs of chromosomes while the other apes have 24.
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A lion has 18 pairs of chromosomes, a bobcat has 19 pairs. I doubt that they could be crossbred. However a tiger has 19 pair and a lion has 18 and they can be crossbred. A black bear has 36, and a coati has 36, and I doubt that they can be crossbred. I'm not sure that the number of chromosomes is the determining factor.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408128
05/23/25 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Wetdog, so you're saying that in Japan they've used CRISPR to produce Ape-Human hybrids?

I'm kind of guessing that would be a fast way to get your lab shut down forever.

He did get shut down, but I'm betting he wasn't first or last

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Besides the chromosomal difference there are lots of other differences that seem to rule out the possibility. Not that I would happen to know all that but it made me look it up.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: wetdog] #8408131
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Wetdog, so you're saying that in Japan they've used CRISPR to produce Ape-Human hybrids?

I'm kind of guessing that would be a fast way to get your lab shut down forever.

He did get shut down, but I'm betting he wasn't first or last


But adding or subtracting genes into a viable embryo through editing processes is still a far cry from successful interbreeding of the species.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408133
05/23/25 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by Gary Benson

That's a fact!
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?


Gary, nobody thinks we evolved from Monkeys. A big misconception that's been around too long.


Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?

Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408141
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Husky, we're cousins to the monkeys both being primates and having a common ancestor around 60 million years ago. But simians (monkeys) are one branch of the tree and a separate branch were Hominoids (apes) of which taxonomically we're members.

Humans are rapid mutators. Much more so than the other primates. WIth population separation this means differences will show up fairly rapidly accounting for the different human races.

Example: Homo sapiens that lived in the northern areas that got less light adapted to less sunlight (necessary for vitamin D assimilation) by having lighter colored skin.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408180
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Homo erectus gets the prize for having stuck around the longest. Well over a million years. They even survived a prolonged African drought (over 100,000 years worth) from about 960,000 to 860,000 years ago. During that time the population fell from about 100,000 to just under a 1000 breeding individuals. Imagine a drought that lasts 100,000 years! That was almost the end of us.

Homo erectus was definitely our ancestor.

Is it OK to call them Homo's? No "H" in LGBTQ? laugh


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408189
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"Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?"


Ok, so how does the bible explain the different races and colors, if man was made in the image of God???
It's inconsistencies like this that makes people question the creationists and the Bible...

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I think primates have been around a LOT longer than has "Adam's race".
I think of it this way; plants are a living thing and are physical (one dimension), animals have two dimensions, both physical and a soul (consciousness), and Adam's race is merely a primate that God imbued with a spirit which out-lives the physical life, making us three dimensional. It in a lessor way mirrors God's triune, three dimensional character.
Why did God choose primates rather than something like cows? Perhaps because primates have opposable thumbs which physically allows us to be creative; one of God's great characteristics. That's is partly where "in His image" comes into play.

There, this should make everyone happy.

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Re: Human evolution [Re: Husky] #8408203
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Originally Posted by Husky


Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?


Humans and apes have a common ancestor. It's not a line from chimp to human. It's a Y shape from a common ancestor, with one of the branches leading to the apes, the other branch leading to humans.

As far as skin color, it has to do with vitamin d production. As humans moved further north, our skin needed to produce less melanin, so that we could absorb more sunlight and thus produce more vitamin d. The very first humans to live in Europe would have had fairly dark skin, and as the generations passed, skin got lighter and lighter .

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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408213
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Most folks that care about these kinds of things have likely already decided what to believe. Once you believe in something you're not likely to be very open minded to an opposing point of view. Time to try to poke holes or at least look for them.
Can we all agree on that?


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408226
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As the "debate" thread shows, theres no alternate beliefs....just arguing to prove a personal view.

Re: Human evolution [Re: gcs] #8408231
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Originally Posted by gcs
As the "debate" thread shows, theres no alternate beliefs....just arguing to prove a personal view.

Hmm, and here I thought I threw something out there that everyone might be able to agree with to some degree.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408232
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Lol, it's all above my pay grade....maybe we'll all find out in the end... grin

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Originally Posted by gcs


"Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?"


Ok, so how does the bible explain the different races and colors, if man was made in the image of God???
It's inconsistencies like this that makes people question the creationists and the Bible...

You are totally missing the point of being madd in God's image. Has nothing to do with how we look. Do you really think God has human features? He's Spirit. He exists everywhere.


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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Husky


Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?


Humans and apes have a common ancestor. It's not a line from chimp to human. It's a Y shape from a common ancestor, with one of the branches leading to the apes, the other branch leading to humans.

As far as skin color, it has to do with vitamin d production. As humans moved further north, our skin needed to produce less melanin, so that we could absorb more sunlight and thus produce more vitamin d. The very first humans to live in Europe would have had fairly dark skin, and as the generations passed, skin got lighter and lighter .

Again, totally speculation. Just because you find various skeletons does not necessarily mean one evolved to another.


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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Originally Posted by gcs


"Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?"


Ok, so how does the bible explain the different races and colors, if man was made in the image of God???
It's inconsistencies like this that makes people question the creationists and the Bible...

You are totally missing the point of being madd in God's image. Has nothing to do with how we look. Do you really think God has human features? He's Spirit. He exists everywhere.

You don't know that God doesn't have human features. Might look like Elvis for all anybody knows.

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