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Bishop John Shelby Spong (maybe he was an arch-bishop) made an interesting observation in one of his books. For the record, I only read one. In it, he said in the time of Jesus, heaven was thought to be at the level of the clouds. Since then, weve figured out how to see 100,000 light years away. Does that mean heaven moved? Or just our concept of it now that we can see further?
Im still not convinced the earth and all we know took 7-days to make. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle. That may have worked when people didnt understand the process of tsunamis and tectonic plate movements. Ask the people in the southern states that just went thru flooding if heavy rains arent a possibility.
A lack of knowledge doesnt a miracle make. So says Yoda.
Heaven was never in the sky. That's the physical heavens. It's not a place in the clouds, and hells not inside the earth. When people die thier bodies don't float up or go down. It's a spiritual reality. Think another dimension right here but not visible to our physical eyesight.
Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
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#8413573 06/03/2507:38 PM06/03/2507:38 PM
How many versions of the Bible are there? I googled it quickly some estimates up to 900, hundreds for sure. So does not what version you read affect what you believe?
How many versions of the Bible are there? I googled it quickly some estimates up to 900, hundreds for sure. So does not what version you read affect what you believe?
Unless it's some modern version that deviates from the original intention, the message is the same. People go on about the catholic vs Protestant versions, but there's nothing different that really should affect belief. I've read both.
Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: PAskinner]
#8413779 06/03/2511:08 PM06/03/2511:08 PM
Protestent Bible has 66 books the Catholic Bible has 73 books. all the additional books are in the Old Testement. The Gospel of Thomas fouond in Egypt is not in any of the Bibles. One of our Bible studies several years ago studied that Gospel.
Bryce
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
#8413780 06/03/2511:10 PM06/03/2511:10 PM
Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?
Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.
המשיח הוא המלך
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Chancey]
#8413800 06/04/2512:18 AM06/04/2512:18 AM
Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?
Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.
The Catholic Bible was compiled in the 4th century. The Protestant Bibles are all.derived from it. The Book of Enoch and The Book of Giants were rejected by the Catholic Church because they did not agree with church teachings.
Keith
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
#8413824 06/04/2502:32 AM06/04/2502:32 AM
And remember, no one doubts Plato, or Aristotle, or Homer ever lived, so why do people doubt that Jesus lived when is much more evidence for his life than the others?
I've heard plenty of modern historians who think Homer is a legendary figure and believe the Iliad and Odyssey were written by different authors.
But I am more inclined to accept the New Testament books as historical accounts than I am with the book of Genesis; they were written much closer in time to the events they attested to.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Chancey]
#8413825 06/04/2502:49 AM06/04/2502:49 AM
Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?
Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.
The Book of Enoch is not in the Catholic Bible, but some Oriental Orthodox churches accept it.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
#8413861 06/04/2507:29 AM06/04/2507:29 AM
Bishop John Shelby Spong (maybe he was an arch-bishop) made an interesting observation in one of his books. For the record, I only read one. In it, he said in the time of Jesus, heaven was thought to be at the level of the clouds. Since then, weve figured out how to see 100,000 light years away. Does that mean heaven moved? Or just our concept of it now that we can see further?
Im still not convinced the earth and all we know took 7-days to make. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle. That may have worked when people didnt understand the process of tsunamis and tectonic plate movements. Ask the people in the southern states that just went thru flooding if heavy rains arent a possibility.
A lack of knowledge doesnt a miracle make. So says Yoda.
It didn't take 7 days - only 6.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Teacher]
#8413873 06/04/2508:09 AM06/04/2508:09 AM
A lack of knowledge doesnt a miracle make. So says Yoda.
So the real miracle was that an entire army was dumb enough to drown in the parted sea? A nation of over a million people could pass on dry land and then the army pursuing them is drowned right behind them - what knowledge led to this? You are correct - lack of knowledge doesn't make a miracle - God does.
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
#8413876 06/04/2508:13 AM06/04/2508:13 AM
Theres nothing stopping you from believing the Bible, Quran, the analects of Taoism, Torah or whatever word for word. In this country, it is your right to do so. Im more of a show me the facts sort of guy. To the people who believe a million people passed thru the opened sea, was there a count of bodies before or after to show it was a million or are you taking this on faith?
I like the leper observations above. Cant believe all the others in the leper colony werent a little put off by not being chosen to be cured. To me, these stories are metaphors used for teaching purposes. No one would have believed, or understood deeper explanations so stories were used to pass information along.
Never too old to learn
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
#8413947 06/04/2510:14 AM06/04/2510:14 AM
Do you stomp the ground with a stick before you place your foot down every step? Or do you have faith in gravity, the ground will be solid enough to support you?
Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: PAskinner]
#8413949 06/04/2510:17 AM06/04/2510:17 AM
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