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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Teacher] #8413873
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Originally Posted by Teacher
. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle.

A lack of knowledge doesn’t a miracle make. So says Yoda.



So the real miracle was that an entire army was dumb enough to drown in the parted sea? A nation of over a million people could pass on dry land and then the army pursuing them is drowned right behind them - what knowledge led to this? You are correct - lack of knowledge doesn't make a miracle - God does.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8413876
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Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic text, not Canon because it's fake.,


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8413932
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There’s nothing stopping you from believing the Bible, Quran, the analects of Taoism, Torah or whatever word for word. In this country, it is your right to do so. I’m more of a ‘show me the facts’ sort of guy. To the people who believe a million people passed thru the opened sea, was there a count of bodies before or after to show it was a million or are you taking this on faith?

I like the leper observations above. ‘Can’t believe all the others in the leper colony weren’t a little put off by not being chosen to be cured. To me, these stories are metaphors used for teaching purposes. No one would have believed, or understood deeper explanations so stories were used to pass information along.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8413947
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Do you stomp the ground with a stick before you place your foot down every step? Or do you have faith in gravity, the ground will be solid enough to support you?

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: PAskinner] #8413949
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic text, not Canon because it's fake.,


I believe the book of Enoch was deemed fake also.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: white marlin] #8413951
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Originally Posted by white marlin
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Why do you think Judus had to kiss Jesus?
So the guards knew which Jesus to arrest, because there was more than one in the garden that night


curious how you know there was more than one Jesus present in that time and place...

could it be that Judas had to kiss Jesus because the soldiers didn't know Him personally? He was surrounded by 12 other guys.

That is the most reasonable reason, IMO.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: loosegoose] #8413953
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Even most secular historians agree that Jesus was a real person that lived in Israel about 2000 years ago. What they disagree on is whether or not he was the Son of God that performed miracles and died and came back to life.

Not according to the Jewish historian, Josephus. He wrote that he was not a follower of Jesus, but there were rumors that Jesus healed the sick and performed miracles.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8413954
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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8413957
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You don't think all those watching outside the Ark were a bit put off too? What about the family members of those turned into pillars of salt? How about Josephs brothers who threw him in a pit? Many, many will not be chosen and many will not choose Christ. He stands at the door knocking and many will not answer.......some of you think you are in control and have difficulty comprehending faith but yet you walk daily in your own faith of finding relief at the bottom of a bottle or a pill being prescribed or a job or finances. I have never met a drunk or an addict or a millionaire or someone perceived as having it all together that truly has peace that passes all understanding - without Christ. Many of you are truly unlearned in the Bible and have never put Gods Word to the test. Those of us that have, know He will never forsake us nor leave us no matter what life looks like to others - in that, my faith in Jesus Christ grows and I pray others research it for themselves. Become vulnerable - open up and cry out to the Lord and allow Him to speak to you through His Word. Challenge Him and see He is good. Don't take my word for it - gain your own experience, I can not grow your faith - only you.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #8413972
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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
You don't think all those watching outside the Ark were a bit put off too? What about the family members of those turned into pillars of salt? How about Josephs brothers who threw him in a pit? Many, many will not be chosen and many will not choose Christ. He stands at the door knocking and many will not answer.......some of you think you are in control and have difficulty comprehending faith but yet you walk daily in your own faith of finding relief at the bottom of a bottle or a pill being prescribed or a job or finances. I have never met a drunk or an addict or a millionaire or someone perceived as having it all together that truly has peace that passes all understanding - without Christ. Many of you are truly unlearned in the Bible and have never put Gods Word to the test. Those of us that have, know He will never forsake us nor leave us no matter what life looks like to others - in that, my faith in Jesus Christ grows and I pray others research it for themselves. Become vulnerable - open up and cry out to the Lord and allow Him to speak to you through His Word. Challenge Him and see He is good. Don't take my word for it - gain your own experience, I can not grow your faith - only you.

Very well put. I hear you explaining why you believe what you believe. Everyone has a free choice as to what they want to believe. If they choose to believe, that's wonderful. If not, that's OK too. It's not your problem and I feel the same way.

Reminds me of something liberal Bill Maher once said, "The difference between Muslims and Christians is: Christians don't kill you if you don't convert to their religion."


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: mink99] #8414000
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Originally Posted by mink99
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Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic text, not Canon because it's fake.,


I believe the book of Enoch was deemed fake also.

I think there's actually two books.
I kinda think God is big enough to include what he wants in the Canon.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8414014
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God has presented every one of us with a full pardon for all of our sins. We all have the opportunity to accept that pardon if we want. The sad thing is there will be more people that decline the pardon than accept it. Mathew 7:13-14 says, “ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

In the end we all have an option, heaven or (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). I pray you choose heaven.
No one knows how long our live will be. James 4 describes our life as a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. Don’t wait.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: KeithC] #8414079
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Chancey
Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?

Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.


The Catholic Bible was compiled in the 4th century. The Protestant Bibles are all.derived from it. The Book of Enoch and The Book of Giants were rejected by the Catholic Church because they did not agree with church teachings.

Keith


It has been translated to benefit the translators goals. Just like pagan traditions became Christmas and Easter to get pegans converted. But all hallows eve is bad

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8414080
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We are given an opportunity. But opportunity means choice. Just because you chose your way, doesn’t mean your way needs to be mine. And vice versa.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Teacher] #8414100
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Originally Posted by Teacher
We are given an opportunity. But opportunity means choice. Just because you chose your way, doesn’t mean your way needs to be mine. And vice versa.


Very true

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Teacher] #8414188
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Originally Posted by Teacher
We are given an opportunity. But opportunity means choice. Just because you chose your way, doesn’t mean your way needs to be mine. And vice versa.


Exactly.


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Where is the link for the fake fossils dating millions of years old?

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Maybe those lepers didn't believe....


Then there was those 10 that was all healed, but only 1 returned to thank Jesus. Does that mean they weren't grateful or merely that they never took the time to return and thank him?

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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Where is the link for the fake fossils dating millions of years old?

The earth existed long before man, as we know him today ever inhabited it. The first chapter of Genesis says that at the beginning of time, God created heaven and earth. We don't know when that was. Earth was an empty waste and darkness hung over the deep. The earth was water covered until God caused the waters to recede. Who knows how old the earth is? More than the approximately 5,000 years since the existence of the first man, Adam that's for sure.

There is no doubt that dinosaurs and other creatures existed on the earth millions of years ago. The fossils prove it. We also know something wiped them out totally. God seems to cleanse the earth with water (the flood of Noah). Is that what happened to the creatures that lived during the time of the dinosaurs? Many bible scholars seem to think there was more than one flood prior to the flood of Noah.

The bible says God was sorry he ever made man. Looking at the mess we have in the world today, I believe it.


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I was just inquiring about the fake fossils.....and being dated millions of years old.

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