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Technique ? #8416850
06/09/25 01:35 PM
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Just read a book called "Survival Poaching", in it the Author described a technique for killing off bee's in walls etc so's to be able to salvage the honey by using co2. Anybody ever heard of or used it? Thanks BB


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Re: Technique ? [Re: BigBob] #8419972
06/15/25 11:31 AM
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I have not, but long pants, face cover, hoodie and gloves I can get into a hive without killing the bees. Extra points if you can inject smoke.

People have been harvesting honey for a long time without compressed CO2.

Re: Technique ? [Re: BigBob] #8420571
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I was asking about it more as ADC and less as harvest, ie: for Africanized colony's.


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Re: Technique ? [Re: BigBob] #8420707
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Ok. So ok to kill them. Get your bee suit of choice. The hard part with killing honey bees is the sheer number of them. You may have 60k bees in a hive. It can take a lot of product to do it quickly. For smaller nests aerosol fogger will work from a can. For larger volume areas you’ll want something like an Actisol machine.

Re: Technique ? [Re: BigBob] #8420726
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Originally Posted by BigBob
I was asking about it more as ADC and less as harvest, ie: for Africanized colony's.


You will never have an africanized colony in Missouri.

Africanized is high percentage A.m. scutellata aka the Savanah Bee of subsaharan Africa. It is the equitorial subspecies of the western honey bee. Being equitorial adapted to having no seasonal winter it has lost, or never had if the out of africa origin for honeybees is correct, the behavioral adaptations necessary to survive even the mildest of temperate winters.

Central Florida has had them for over twenty years and they've made in into South Georgia on only two occasions during that time. And Georgia would know as beekeeping is a billion dollar industry in the state, and our Dept of Ag monitors things tightly.


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Do you really want the black eye from being that guy that kills bees?

My advice is to hook up with a beekeeper that does removals. There's money to be made there.


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Up here, the bee keepers don’t want to open walls. We don’t kill hives, but the place I was trained at will. It’s a decision every company has to make. Leaving the colony in the wall causes its own problems.

Re: Technique ? [Re: warrior] #8421269
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by BigBob
I was asking about it more as ADC and less as harvest, ie: for Africanized colony's.


You will never have an africanized colony in Missouri.

Africanized is high percentage A.m. scutellata aka the Savanah Bee of subsaharan Africa. It is the equitorial subspecies of the western honey bee. Being equitorial adapted to having no seasonal winter it has lost, or never had if the out of africa origin for honeybees is correct, the behavioral adaptations necessary to survive even the mildest of temperate winters.

Central Florida has had them for over twenty years and they've made in into South Georgia on only two occasions during that time. And Georgia would know as beekeeping is a billion dollar industry in the state, and our Dept of Ag monitors things tightly.

We already have.


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Re: Technique ? [Re: BigBob] #8421435
06/17/25 08:28 PM
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I highly doubt that. You might get the occasional hot queen from points south but you won't ever have high genetic percentage A.m.scutellata.
Hot bees, of course. The far more common Russian bees are well known for going hot on second generation F1 crosses. Also known of the buckfast strain and the old black "dutch" bee was replaved by the italian and carni due to it's hot temper. Hot bees can occur in any race of bee.

If you happen to have documentation of AHB in Missouri I'd love to see it.


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