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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8420280
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
T7 I fully agree with you on the importance of the gospel.
And your last post.
I don't have any issues with others eschatological beliefs.
We are created with free will and with individuality.
I consider you a brother in Christ.

Thank you for your kind words, brother.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #8420285
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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
T7 I fully agree with you on the importance of the gospel.
And your last post.
I don't have any issues with others eschatological beliefs.
We are created with free will and with individuality.
I consider you a brother in Christ.


Trapper7 - Your last post as well very much summed up my beliefs and I agree with Giant Sage. I really enjoy when men can get into Gods Word and analyze it and learn as we sharpen one another. I admit, the more I read, the more the Holy Spirit reveals to me and can reveal different lessons at different times. Gods Word is inerrant and yes we may not always agree on every scripture and I am just fine with that.

Thank you for your post. I agree with you 100%.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8420307
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The Bible is a living lesson.
Every time you read it , you learn something new.
Reread it a few times, along with all the verses, all the parables , you find a new meaning.
It's just words , yet it teaches you to think , to understand things change, even while you're reading it!
Just how it seems to change my philosophy every time I read it!


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8420329
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
The Bible is a living lesson.
Every time you read it , you learn something new.
Reread it a few times, along with all the verses, all the parables , you find a new meaning.
It's just words , yet it teaches you to think , to understand things change, even while you're reading it!
Just how it seems to change my philosophy every time I read it!

Most definitely,
Gods word is a living word.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8420604
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With current events unfolding today, it is extremely exciting to know what Gods Word says about these events. There will be a time, when Persia (Iran) will again get along with Israel. And pride check - can't find anywhere where we (USA) are promised a Biblical future. Could be a reference to as wings of eagle and airlifts.........but not sure about that.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #8420691
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TreedaBlackdog,
Can you help me out on the prophecy of Persia and Israel will get along.
Thanks in advance.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8420858
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
The Bible is a living lesson.
Every time you read it , you learn something new.
Reread it a few times, along with all the verses, all the parables , you find a new meaning.
It's just words , yet it teaches you to think , to understand things change, even while you're reading it!
Just how it seems to change my philosophy every time I read it!

This right here. The Bible has to be not just read but studied. So many different parts of the Bible relate to each other. To me, the Bible is the most incredible book out there.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8420911
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yes study the bible all of the bible and you will fine that's it's just a good book of embellished stories, magic, conquering heroes and evil villains of ancient people trying to make
sense of the competitive world they lived in (just like now)
doesn't have to be more then that to learn something from it many books do it

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8421042
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The only other books that contribute to our eternal destination are books that teach from the Bible. Still the best selling book ever.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Originally Posted by Savell
Bible says two men aught not to lay together

… but I don’t see the good lord sending someone like Lefty to hades mmmhmmm


Folks in Sodom and Gomorrah had similar thoughts as you..........
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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8421052
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
TreedaBlackdog,
Can you help me out on the prophecy of Persia and Israel will get along.
Thanks in advance.



Believe it is in Isaiah but I will try to find it. Talks about those coming alongside Israel - does not say Iran but Persia - same as interpreted as where wise men came from........but I am pretty sure most scholars would say past Persia would be todays Iran.

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Will say in Ezekiel 38-39 we see Persia (Iran) as likely being an attacker of Israel also. Currently unfolding and again open to interpretation.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8421058
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
TreedaBlackdog,
Can you help me out on the prophecy of Persia and Israel will get along.
Thanks in advance.

I was thinking about Ezekiel 38: 1-8. It states Persia (Iran) will gather with some of the others in that region to come up against Israel. Am I interpreting that wrong?


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8421067
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Isaiah 11 - I believe is what I am remembering in my study. I have copied below another reference to what was similar in my study - apologize for the depth but it is interesting to myself and possibly others who possibly believe that Egypt and Iran will come alongside Israel - there will be much bloodshed first, but there will be a time come as Isaiah 11 speaks.



Just as the Purim deliverance is a story remarkable turnaround: a story of annihilation and violence but with a happy ending, so Passover has the same themes. Starting with systematic genocide of baby boys, unbearable oppression and slavery, the gods of Egypt are assaulted one by one as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rains down plagues until His people are set free. In one of the most dramatic stories in the entire Bible, God saves His people with a miraculous deliverance, and the tables are turned on Israel’s enemies. However in both stories, we see multitudes of people, from both Egypt and Iran, joining the house of Israel as they witness the redemption that God brings.



In both stories, the peoples of Egypt and Iran give Israel all that they need for the tabernacle and then the temple in order to worship the One True God.

We also see the story of Yeshua’s first coming fits a similar pattern: starting with the genocide of baby boys, fraught with danger and persecution, an apparently hopeless situation which turns around to be the destruction of the enemy and and great joy breaking out as a result.

This is the pattern laid out for us that is repeated throughout Scripture, and will crescendo in the Ultimate Redemption ushering in the Messianic Age.

The promises of Isaiah 11
Here’s a great passage full of promise of the goodness to come:

The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them.
The cow and the bear shall graze;
their young shall lie down together;
and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra,
and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain;
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.
(Isaiah 11:6-9)

Finally, little ones will be totally safe. People have found the Hebrew names of the Bibas children in this passage, Kfir and Ariel, which mean a lion’s cub and a lion of God. In our devastation about the horrors of war, the passage brings hope and comfort that another reality is coming when Yeshua returns. Wrong will be put right.

However, what people often miss is the chapter before, and what leads to this idyllic state.

Isaiah 10 is a chapter full of judgement and wrath, mostly directed at the enemies of Israel. Isaiah 11 then begins with the promise of redemption and the introduction of the Messiah. While both these chapters have already been fulfilled in part, this is the pattern.

Of course, most Christians immediately identify the “shoot from the stump of Jesse” as Yeshua, Son of David, the son of Jesse, and rightly so. But many leap to the conclusion that the passage is all about the first coming. However, in most Messianic prophecies you’ll see the first AND the second coming in the same passage. Christians tend to see the incarnation, and Jewish people tend to see the grand finale. Both are usually there.

When we read verses 4-5 we are actually seeing a picture of Yeshua at the end of time, ruling and reigning as King of all the earth. He has all power, all authority, and this time He is not holding back:

With righteousness he shall judge the poor,
and decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth,
and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked.
Righteousness shall be the belt of his waist,
and faithfulness the belt of his loins.

This picture matches Revelation 19:

Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. (Revelation 19:11-13)

The Messiah in Isaiah 11 is now ruling in power and killing the wicked. He is striking the earth and judging its inhabitants. Quite different to the first coming. He is righteous, faithful, and true, but He means business and He has blood on his robe. Whose blood? Not His this time. He is making war against His enemies in order to bring righteousness and justice. This is what it will take to bring about the Eden-like vision of Isaiah 11.

Redemption requires a rescue from enemies
So the story of Purim resembles and repeats the story of Passover, and the ultimate Redemption described in Isaiah 11 — the “Geula” as its known in Hebrew —will also resemble the deliverances manifested in ages past like Passover and Purim, but on a greater level.

Funnily enough, the Passover event, which foreshadowed the redemption from sin and death at calvary, is right in the middle of the story of Purim:


Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it in the ears of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.” And Moses built an altar and called the name of it, The Lord Is My Banner, saying, “A hand upon the throne of the Lord! The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.” (Exodus 17:14-16)

Amalek tried to destroy Israel right after the Exodus, and later King Saul was told to wipe them out completely, centuries before the time of Esther. This was a task he failed to accomplish which led to wicked Haman, descended from the king of the Amalekites, standing in the palace of Persia with the same genocidal intentions. The same spirit operates today in opposition to God and His purposes, but the Messiah will ultimately defeat all His enemies.

The sign of the throne of God
In Exodus 17:16, the Hebrew for the words “throne of the Lord” [כס יה] are both spelled unconventionally, missing half their letters. Some have interpreted this to signify a promise from God: “that His Name will not be complete and His throne will not be complete until the name of Amalek is completely obliterated. And when his name is obliterated, the Divine Name will be complete, and the throne will be complete.”3 This refers to Psalm 9, a powerful, imprecatory psalm which describes the final end of Israel’s enemies and God taking His throne forever.

When the Lord has soundly defeated His enemies in the spiritual and the natural realms, the Prince of Peace, the Lord of lords and King of kings will take His place. He will stand as a sign, raised as a banner to all the people of the world, and He will sit on the throne that is rightfully His and rule with justice. God’s great redemption is coming. And it’s coming soon.

In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.
(Isaiah 11:10)



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-inca-evil-omen-folktales-a8465866.html
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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Trapper7] #8421069
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
TreedaBlackdog,
Can you help me out on the prophecy of Persia and Israel will get along.
Thanks in advance.

I was thinking about Ezekiel 38: 1-8. It states Persia (Iran) will gather with some of the others in that region to come up against Israel. Am I interpreting that wrong?



No - you are correct.

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Jews are very much into patterns - much more so than the US church speaks of. They know what the prophecies say, though most still have "their eyes closed" on who Jesus was and is today. As Gentiles though, we still are to pray for them and the peace of Jerusalem. The Purim and Passover has much more meaning to the Jews as compared to the Gentile Church of the US. Some of my favorite teachers are messianic Jews who truly know Jesus as Messiah. They help me to understand what the teachings of Jesus meant to fellow Jews that I definitely did not grow up learning.

A simple study on Jewish wedding and feast will bring up much knowledge of what the church means as the bride of Christ. Even the groom (Jesus) doesn't know the time He is returning for His bride (church). It is appointed by the father(God). This is simple to understand for Jews as that is how they get married..........foreign to us.

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Those verses have to do with the invasion of Israel and Persia is one of the invaders is the way I read it. Some scholars speculate that Gog is Russia. Though Russia is not specifically named, Rosh is believed to its territory. Magog are some of its allies, such as Communist China possibly. If true, that would make Russia the leader of the assault. America is not found anywhere in the bible. Either they no longer exist when all this comes to be, or there is another reference to them.


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Some interesting interpretation.


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Or...that was already fulfilled by Christ.
Let’s ask the apostle Paul. He quoted the verse as being fulfilled in his own lifetime: “IN THAT DAY the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of Him shall the nations inquire, and His resting place shall be glorious” (Isaiah 11:10). Romans 15:12, where Paul cites this verse, reads this way: “The root of Jesse will come, even He who arises to rule the Gentiles, in Him will the Gentiles hope” (Romans 15:12).
The wolf (Gentiles), now dwells safely with the lamb (Jews), among those who belong to Christ. There's no more Jew or Gentiles. In reality the chosen people are all that are in Christ from any nation.


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the mental gymnastics to make things fit
john the baptist jesus and paul were all apocalyptic preachers
and thought the end times were in their lifetime along with so many other
one thing is for sure we are all going to die in your own lifetime.

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