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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426207
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New version of the bill since the first one didn't meet requirements to be on the budget bill.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scaled-back-version-sen-mike-215030820.html


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426235
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Certainly a more thoughtful approach, but there’s still vague language in that bill to be proposing 1.2 million acres become available. Again, these agencies are already making decisions like this, albeit at a slower pace and smaller scale because it’s run through a NEPA decision.

I bet foreign governments/companies own more than 1.2 million acres that meet those criteria. Why give up public land so they can continue to exist here?

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: danny clifton] #8426239
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I don’t care. I’m not going to advocate one way or the other if I can’t use it anyway.


“You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists” - George W

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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426251
06/25/25 09:19 PM
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I never did like JR much


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426252
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Population growth.

Would you have been against the land give away in 1889? It was for the same purpose, expansion.


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426255
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Do you think it’s even remotely reasonable to compare 1889 to 2025?

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426260
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Yes,
More people is more people, gotta live somewhere.


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Leroy Bob] #8426264
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Do you think it’s even remotely reasonable to compare 1889 to 2025?


It didn't in 1880's, ya know...try 1980s.


Proudly banned from the NTA.

Bother me tomorrow. Today I'll buy no sorrows.
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426269
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Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426287
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With both private or public lands, access can/is restricted. The only difference is you still have to pay for public ground, regardless of restrictions.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426290
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https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/senator-lee-no-means-no-on-public-land-sell-off/

Sportsman’s Alliance is well known for having our backs. If they are against selling public lands, it carries a lot of weight with me.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426314
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All the western land that had water available to irrigate to grow crops and feed livestock and for human use was homesteaded. These lands were also the best winter range for big game. What was left became BLM and Forest land. Every housing development squeezes out the game. The federal lands they want to sell for housing will further erode critical deer and elk wintering areas and eliminate public access for recreation. The people that will likely benefit the most are big developers (CAMPAIGN DONARS!) and politicians. I am opposed to the sale of even one acre and told my Representative and Senators today


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426339
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Selling federal lands in the name of affordable housing sounds an awful lot like the Affordable Care Act and the Inflation Reduction Act (which were both the exact opposite but sounded good).


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: J Staton] #8426343
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Originally Posted by J Staton
With both private or public lands, access can/is restricted. The only difference is you still have to pay for public ground, regardless of restrictions.


Let me know where I can get some of the free private ground you’re talking about!

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426365
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Can always do this to the last pieces of farm ground around here. Talk about losing rights..

https://www.agweb.com/news/business...minent-domain-replace-affordable-housing


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426366
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No surprise its New Jersey


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426370
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I live in a county that is made up mostly of national forest. One of the poorest counties in Arkansas. Funny thing is I don't trap it, only trap private ground. Didn't cost me nothing to obtain access other than permission from the owner. Although I don't use the public land available for access, I still pay for its maintenance with taxes. With the private land that I can't access, I pay nothing for its maintenance.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Leroy Bob] #8426371
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?


We could force ranchers or whoever owns what little private ground there is out there to sell a couple lots.


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: J Staton] #8426373
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Originally Posted by J Staton
I live in a county that is made up mostly of national forest. One of the poorest counties in Arkansas. Funny thing is I don't trap it, only trap private ground. Didn't cost me nothing to obtain access other than permission from the owner. Although I don't use the public land available for access, I still pay for its maintenance with taxes. With the private land that I can't access, I pay nothing for its maintenance.


We’re ALL paying for that same public ground. We pay for maintenance on over half a billion acres and I’ll guarantee we wouldn’t pay any less taxes if they sold a bunch of it.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8426378
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IMO, the Federal government should only own the land that comprises Washington DC, military bases, infrastructure(highways/interstates), and the lots on which federal buildings occupy. All the rest should be owned by the state or the people.

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