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The two witnesses #8421596
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What is your understanding?


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They were probably meant to represent Moses and Elijah when Revelations was written. Moses is less certain then Elijah.

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I just think Adam and Eve , as they were without sin and there was no sin, until they partook in the forbidden fruit!
Then they witnessed every sin known to man!
JMHO.


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
What is your understanding?


I think the consensus is Enoch and Elijah.

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We had a flood and rebuilt?


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just put your ear to the ground , and follow along

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It's interesting the different thoughts on this.
Even though there identity is never revealed there are several evidences.
The power they are given, the amount of time they prophesied. The amount of time they where dead before they were raised. There time frame associated with the Jerusalem being trodden by the Gentiles.
They are spoken of after the angel gives John the bitter sweet book. They are the two olive trees standing before the God of the earth. Capital G.
I'd like to hear though and opinions on peaples understanding of this passage before I put mine out there.
Just so I don't influence others thought on the matter.


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Re: The two witnesses [Re: Vinke] #8421732
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Originally Posted by Vinke
We had a flood and rebuilt?

As outside the box as this may seem I believe this is inline with my understanding.


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Re: The two witnesses [Re: KeithC] #8421738
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Originally Posted by KeithC
They were probably meant to represent Moses and Elijah when a revelations was written. Moses is less certain then Elijah.

Keith

Good point on the representation of Moses and Elijah.
The powers given to them.
They also appeared before Jesus during his time.


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Originally Posted by Vinke
We had a flood and rebuilt?



Yeah a real dandy too. That was before FEMA and there were less regulations then.


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Re: The two witnesses [Re: Giant Sage] #8421776
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Moses and Elijah, they appeared with Jesus on the mountainPeter, James and John saw them and knew who they were. though having never seen them before. I can also see Enoch, however, i lean heavily towards Moses and Elijah.

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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
I just think Adam and Eve , as they were without sin and there was no sin, until they partook in the forbidden fruit!
Then they witnessed every sin known to man!
JMHO.

Adam and Eve were for sure witnesses,
It seems the two witnesses are in context of the nation of Israel.
The powers that were given them. The languages = two or three witnesses, prophesying, and there death and resurrection. Etc...


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The good book says that every man is afforded to die once. We know that Enoch and Elijah ascended without death. That's my thought on it, but, I think Christians will know it when it happens. But we also know that many will come in His name to decieve.

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Originally Posted by bleeohio
The good book says that every man is afforded to die once. We know that Enoch and Elijah ascended without death. That's my thought on it, but, I think Christians will know it when it happens. But we also know that many will come in His name to decieve.


Yes, Enoch & Elijah is who I believe. Its appointed unto a man once to die.
I however do not plan to be here to see them in person whomever they are. It will be a bad time if you are.

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As the two witnesses were never revealed and so far all mentioned are plausible, Enoch and Elijah to me would be a good guess. I find Zechariah 4 interesting and I would add Zerubbabel and Joshua to the mix. Who knows but it sure is interesting.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
Originally Posted by bleeohio
The good book says that every man is afforded to die once. We know that Enoch and Elijah ascended without death. That's my thought on it, but, I think Christians will know it when it happens. But we also know that many will come in His name to decieve.


Yes, Enoch & Elijah is who I believe. Its appointed unto a man once to die.
I however do not plan to be here to see them in person whomever they are. It will be a bad time if you are.

So you think the two witnesses are a future event?
Do you believe they are in chronological order with the previous verses about the Gentiles treading the temple and the city under foot for 42 months?
The reason I'm asking Is there would be another temple built of course.


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I however do not plan to be here to see them in person whomever they are. It will be a bad time if you are.[/quote]

Ain't that the truth Preacher. I hope to be on the first trip out of here.
Sage, The two witnesses, after they are killed, will lie in the streets for 3 days and the whole world will see this and they come to life. My opinion is this is what the internet and instant "news" is how this will be possible for the whole world to see.

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I really don't know. There's a ton of different ideas whether you are historical or futuristic on prophecy. One of the more intriguing is that every generation has two witnesses, two prophets teaching true in the midst of whatever heresy is prevalent at the time. One example would be those men who printed the Bible so that the common people could read it when the catholic church was keeping away from them.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
I really don't know. There's a ton of different ideas whether you are historical or futuristic on prophecy. One of the more intriguing is that every generation has two witnesses, two prophets teaching true in the midst of whatever heresy is prevalent at the time. One example would be those men who printed the Bible so that the common people could read it when the catholic church was keeping away from them.

Skinner,
This is actually more in line with my understanding.
I understand these passages as being a metaphor.
More of an Amillennial perspective.
Speaking of Christ church and his Finnished work.


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my next question is why does the Scripture that says it is appointed unto man to die once, have anything to do with the two great witnesses? Because, there is no other scripture within the Holy Bible that says the two great witnesses will be two prophets that didnt die a natural death. There are many that say the scripture is there, if so point me to it. I firmly believe that because God Almighty, revealed Jesus on Mt. Olivet, the transfiguration, in a Glorified state, that the two with him was a prophetic announcement. I know that is open to great debate, I get it, but, since Mt. Olivet Is where Jesus will put his feet on this earth in the second coming, then it would make a good argument that the two with him would be of a special purpose of Gods choosing. Also, In the book of Jude, why then, did the Lord God Almighty send the Archangel Michael to deter and refute the taking of the bones of Moses by Satan? Dont get upset about this just think about it. Please

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog1
my next question is why does the Scripture that says it is appointed unto man to die once, have anything to do with the two great witnesses? Because, there is no other scripture within the Holy Bible that says the two great witnesses will be two prophets that didnt die a natural death. There are many that say the scripture is there, if so point me to it. I firmly believe that because God Almighty, revealed Jesus on Mt. Olivet, the transfiguration, in a Glorified state, that the two with him was a prophetic announcement. I know that is open to great debate, I get it, but, since Mt. Olivet Is where Jesus will put his feet on this earth in the second coming, then it would make a good argument that the two with him would be of a special purpose of Gods choosing. Also, In the book of Jude, why then, did the Lord God Almighty send the Archangel Michael to deter and refute the taking of the bones of Moses by Satan? Dont get upset about this just think about it. Please

Those are some good points Sheepdog1, I would hope no one gets upset about others understanding of these passages. The dialect of this conversation is very edifying. To me anyway. It helps me to understand others views and understanding.


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