Roof replacement question
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06/18/25 08:01 PM
06/18/25 08:01 PM
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HayDay
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So insurance adjuster seems to think we deserve a new roof. What is up there now is about 18 year old architectural style composition shingles. Options would seem to be to replace that with same.......OR.......have also heard it is possible to use existing roof as underlayment, then go over the top with a metal roof. Possibly even a raised rib metal roof. Existing is 6/12 pitch with multiple gables and valleys. Damage was from wind and hail (and sun).
Respect the opinion of guys here. What say you?
Last edited by HayDay; 06/18/25 08:16 PM.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/18/25 08:57 PM
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I wouldn't waste my time with shingles anymore. They aren't made the same, the tar strip is getting more and more "environmentally friendly" which is all well and good but being in Atlantic Canada surrounded by pounding winds and hurricanes etc. it produces some of, if not the best roofers in the country. You CAN just go over the old shingled roof. They do it all the time here but it's not my preferred choice. I'd rather rip it up, inspect for damages, let it breathe a bit etc. That being said, it's also a second shield if for some reason the metal roof ever fails. Standing seam roof is great but expensive. If you go metal, I go overkill even though the other roofers roll their eyes at me and strap with 2x4 instead of just 1x4. I also use either #10 screws or even GRK. I like to overkill for no reason. helps me sleep better. Wetdog is right too though, most guys don't read the install instructions (that goes double for professional window and door companies, most are owned by guys who never installed windows, most do a garbage job without even realizing it) and it's very easy to install a non warranty roof. nailing a little high, a little low, angled slightly of a nail head etc that warranty is toast. most insurance places will look for the smallest things to ditch a homeowner on. I think the "warranty catch" with metal roofing is you have to do a 1/4" turn of each screw head per year, which is ridiculous since you aren't supposed to walk on it. So depending on your ethics for the metal roof warranty, you could keep a "home maintenance log" of all your annual house chores. I.E: cleaning vents, replacing filters, pumping septic, lubicating windows and oh look! torqing screws a 1/4" with a ratchet per year so as not to overdrive with an impact gun (ask me how I know) and if they ask how you did it, you have a friend that works at a lift rental place and he brings it over once a year, hence why you don't have a credit card statement to prove it, but your detailed journal (that you fill out once a year) will sure hold up in court believe me 
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: wetdog]
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06/18/25 09:18 PM
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Not many roofers even look at the shingle wrapper
It wouldn't matter if they did, most of them can't read English anyways.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: TheCarpenter]
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06/18/25 09:36 PM
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I wouldn't waste my time with shingles anymore. They aren't made the same, the tar strip is getting more and more "environmentally friendly" which is all well and good but being in Atlantic Canada surrounded by pounding winds and hurricanes etc. it produces some of, if not the best roofers in the country. You CAN just go over the old shingled roof. They do it all the time here but it's not my preferred choice. I'd rather rip it up, inspect for damages, let it breathe a bit etc. That being said, it's also a second shield if for some reason the metal roof ever fails. Standing seam roof is great but expensive. If you go metal, I go overkill even though the other roofers roll their eyes at me and strap with 2x4 instead of just 1x4. I also use either #10 screws or even GRK. I like to overkill for no reason. helps me sleep better. Wetdog is right too though, most guys don't read the install instructions (that goes double for professional window and door companies, most are owned by guys who never installed windows, most do a garbage job without even realizing it) and it's very easy to install a non warranty roof. nailing a little high, a little low, angled slightly of a nail head etc that warranty is toast. most insurance places will look for the smallest things to ditch a homeowner on. I think the "warranty catch" with metal roofing is you have to do a 1/4" turn of each screw head per year, which is ridiculous since you aren't supposed to walk on it. So depending on your ethics for the metal roof warranty, you could keep a "home maintenance log" of all your annual house chores. I.E: cleaning vents, replacing filters, pumping septic, lubicating windows and oh look! torqing screws a 1/4" with a ratchet per year so as not to overdrive with an impact gun (ask me how I know) and if they ask how you did it, you have a friend that works at a lift rental place and he brings it over once a year, hence why you don't have a credit card statement to prove it, but your detailed journal (that you fill out once a year) will sure hold up in court believe me  we have a Mennonite family that does metal roofing here , they go over the old roof but use 2x4 and 5 inch ring shank nails and make sure to get them into the trusses the goal is 2 crossing 5 inch ring shank nails every time a 2x4 crosses a truss so they are like double staking a trap. not tearing off was a significant cost savings
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/18/25 09:54 PM
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HayDay
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Does standing seam eliminate the exposed screws and need to tighten? I've seen at least two older metal roofs, the rubber grommets on the nails and screws are gone. Roof leaking. One like a sieve.
As for roof warranty, how would one even collect? We did not built house, have no clue who installed roof or what brand is even up there. Insurance Co didn't even mention roof warranty. If it had a 30 year warranty, it didn't seem like it would matter........or fall back on whoever made the shingles. It's considered damaged and they are paying to replace.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/18/25 10:05 PM
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I did a fifty year architectural shingle. It will last the rest of my life. When my insurance co. saw the shingles they raised my rate because of the cost of the shingles should they need to replace them. I told them the high quality shingles should reduce the potential for a claim and they should charge me less, they didn’t agree.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/18/25 10:43 PM
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I inspect roofing at the point of failure. Most times it is storm related but not always and there are some rules of thumb with very few exceptions:
1) Except for way up north if you want your roof to live half as long as it was designed to last, install the new shingles over the existing ones. It looks terrible and it performs even worse...
2) If you want a metal panel designed to last 50 or 100 years to last only 12-20 years, screw the fasteners down into the existing asphalt shingle. Those fasteners will rot and it happens quick. Even out in the panhandles or easter CO where there is very low humidity that is what happens over and over.
In MO, a good architectural shingle (they are all at least a 30 year warranty) with a properly vented attic space and proper underlayment is more than likely the biggest bang for your buck. To go with a premium shingle (40 or 50 yr) you better have a very well-ventilated attic. The thicker the shingle the hotter in gets all summer. Especially dark colors
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/18/25 10:49 PM
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Waiting on a metal roof now to be put on needed one side re-raftered on one side, it has low spot in one place just will get it all done at the same time.
Last edited by Law Dog; 06/18/25 10:49 PM.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/19/25 01:16 AM
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I am an ex roofer. I did not go with metal because when i am older I knew I would not be able to get on a metal roof to clean it or the chimney. 18 year out of a 30+ shingle sounds like a ventilation problem to me
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/19/25 07:10 AM
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Leftlane is spot on....pole barn ag steel is for pole barns, not houses
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/19/25 09:02 AM
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So according to adjuster, flaw with current 18 year old shingles is a lot of grit is gone......glue holding them down is failing........some torn up......tabs missing. Roof has mushroom caps at about 8 foot intervals at peak, plus each gable has a ventilation triangle, and soffits are vented metal. Again, steep pitch.
So are there any brands of shingles better than others.......or brands to avoid?
Our main risk is hail (most roofs eventually get replaced from hail damage) and since we are on an exposed ridge, high, straight line winds. Not uncommon to get 60 to 80 mph wind gusts in summer storms.
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/19/25 09:21 AM
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If your roof is steep, then the best ventilation system would utilize continuous ridge venting but that depends heavily on enough in flow from soffit vents, that might be something to look into and the discussion would help sort the local roofers. By their knowledge level you could see who knows his stuff and who just wants to sell you a new roof. , If your 18 yr old shingle was in that bad of shape after only half of its expected life, then I would suspect one of 2 things for sure went wrong. Lack of enough ventilation or (and?) a poor shingle choice. You didn't have one of those black shingles did you? City folks love them because they think they look good **puke** but they never stand up to the sun and crack / loose granule prematurely
What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded. Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: Roof replacement question
[Re: HayDay]
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06/20/25 11:37 AM
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Roof in question. Color, gable vents and mushroom vents. Gable overhang soffit not vented but soffit under gutters is. So, based on comments here, will likely go back with something similar. Not a fan of half measures, but a 30 year roof would outlast me by a mile. Again, any brands better than others? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/06/full-51773-261158-img_1759.jpg)
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