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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423006
06/20/25 11:46 AM
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GAF snow country shingle over ridge vent

Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423029
06/20/25 12:36 PM
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Hayday I can see 2 factors that would likely contribute to a short roof life in that photo in Missouri, the first being the dark color. It is a poor choice much below MN and WI because the darker the color the more heat it absorbs and holds. That is why the adhesive fails early leaving a 30 yr shingle thread bare in 15 years.

As far as those box vents- they work so well (joke) that the only new houses with them now are trailer houses. They are old technology and not up to the task of venting attics with thicker shingles like the one you have now. When they originated, the only thing available were 3 tab shingles weighing 200 pounds per sq. The shingle on your roof weigh at least 300 pounds per 100 sf so at least 50% more.

If you have enough soffit venting (and it is not clogged by the crew who put ceiling insulation in your attic) continuous ridge venting is the solution and it's not even expensive. For a few hundred bucks you'd get twice the life out of a roof that is going to cost you what- $20 - 25K? Thats a good investment.


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423137
06/20/25 04:19 PM
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What mods need to be made to the existing roof to get to ridge venting? May only need to be done to the main roof line which runs coast to coast (east to west). There are 4 or 5 dormer/gables that are small and may not need the venting. The main peak roof line is well above them anyway.

I think they went dark to contrast with white siding (we bought it......didn't build it). So will need to come up with acceptable lighter color. I put white shingles on chicken house for that very reason, but it has red barn siding.

Additional reason for more ventilation is house was built on a slab. HVAC ducts run in attic. AC in hot attic. Heat in cold attic. Cannot say enough bad things about that. Ought to be a hanging offense.

Cost estimate was $25k plus.


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423189
06/20/25 06:22 PM
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JMO it is difficult to over-ventilate an attic space. Say there are 3 dormers that have 8 ft of ridge cap available for venting and a roofer charges you $10 / foot to put it in. You are gambling on the life of a $25K roof to save maybe S250? If proper venting makes your roof last 28 years instead of the 18 you got this go round, you'd be looking at savings og $496 every single year.

As far as modifying you existing set up for continuous ridge venting, the roofers do it on the day they replace the roof. They simply trim the sheathing at the top of each slope a couple inches and slap the new venting over the top and cover it with shingles. They will patch over the old holes for the little turtle vents you have now. It's a fairly quick and simple upgrade.


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423195
06/20/25 06:27 PM
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If you install ridge vent,,,,,, you need to close gable vents,,,,, just my humble opinion…….


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423203
06/20/25 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Does standing seam eliminate the exposed screws and need to tighten? I've seen at least two older metal roofs, the rubber grommets on the nails and screws are gone. Roof leaking. One like a sieve.

As for roof warranty, how would one even collect? We did not built house, have no clue who installed roof or what brand is even up there. Insurance Co didn't even mention roof warranty. If it had a 30 year warranty, it didn't seem like it would matter........or fall back on whoever made the shingles. It's considered damaged and they are paying to replace.


Yes standing seam eliminates exposed fasteners. from my understanding. It has a clip that goes over the Ridge of the steel and under the next piece going down.

Looked to cost 3x as much as pole barn steel when I looked. Seems like it was also heavier gage also.

Re: Roof replacement question [Re: Vinke] #8423210
06/20/25 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinke
If you install ridge vent,,,,,, you need to close gable vents,,,,, just my humble opinion…….



Good observation Vinke- if I accomplished a passive air flow, I'd want the intake down low on the soffit not up at the top.


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423333
06/20/25 11:33 PM
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I put on stone coated steel singles five or six years back. Expensive, but they look good and the wind don't take em' off.

Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423428
06/21/25 10:07 AM
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Spent some time looking at the plastic panel ridge vent products. In theory can see how they work. Many utubes that are almost falling down funny in how bad they are. Example? Watching guys explain why you need a 3 inch nail to hold it down, then driving it into a 1/2" roof deck.........but not into a rafter under the deck. They would also do better to show attic temps before and after install. Perhaps some flagging tape showing air flow thru the vent, once installed.

But aside from all that, we get heavy, wind driven rain.........and when snow is heavy, lots of wind driven powder. Spindrift. Would be concerned both rain and snow could get driven into the ridge, but maybe no worse than mushroom caps allow now?


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8423437
06/21/25 10:31 AM
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On a low slope roof wind driven rain can be a problem but on steeper slopes it never happens. It's fairly simple physics unless you have hurricane force winds, water cannot work it's way that far up hill.

A friend of mine working down in the coastal bend area figured out how to keep the ridge vent sections down through a hurricane.
He uses at least 4 if not 6 deck screws per each 4 ft section and aims for rafters. Problem solved- hurricane Harvey at Aransas Pass was a wind event (not water / tidal surge) and the residential roofs he installed lost the ridge cap shingles but not the protective vents themselves.

I've not put a thermometer in an attic to show before and after results but it is a great idea. I have however driven past houses who's first roof only lasted 15 years for the last 25 years. Wanna guess what changes they made?


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Re: Roof replacement question [Re: HayDay] #8424108
06/22/25 09:44 AM
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Not sure what we did right but my contractor and me are scratching our heads. Ranch style house that is going on 29 years with the same roof. Ridge vent and soffit vents when new. I added the biggest peak vent on one end to address a moisture problem caused by a faulty install of a fresh air duct. Found problem after install of peak vent. Just now starting to think about maybe a new roof. Was wanting to go metal but you folks have me pulling back on the reins. Any advice? Shingles now are medium brown. No tabs broke yet and just starting to see fiberglass. These shingles are nothing special.

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