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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: white17] #8424236
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by Yes sir
I not completely sold on Trump and still hold a bit of reservation about how much we should trust him. Sometimes he does things he should be commended for then there's something he does that makes wonder but id agree a 100% with your statement. People are run too much on feelings and not enough on logic.



X2 !!

On the other hand I expect some district judge to order Trump to rebuild the Iranian nuke facilities by tomorrow morning


Some liberal activist judge.


Eh...wot?

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8424240
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by loosegoose
At what point do we call what's going on in the world WWII? How many more countries have to be bombing each other?

Are you sitting on go...ready to say your favorite president started WW3?

Lol

No one wants another war, I think most Americans are pretty tired of the goings on in the middle east. But Iran is the regions biggest bully and instigator of state sponsored terrorism in the world. They fund al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis in Yemen. Most of us on Trapperman probably learned in grade school that you can't stop a bully by trying to ignore them, they need a good punch in the nose to alter their behavior, even if you take a whooping. When Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland in 1936 the German military was still weak. Stronger International action at that time would have forced Hitler to back down, but the hand wringers won out and look what evolved. So, I'd say Trump showed strength and did the right thing. He also gave the "Supreme Leader" plenty of time and options to stop enriching uranium to the point they could have a bomb, or several. That said yes, I believe in peace through strength.

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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Dirt] #8424244
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Funny the clowns never said a word when Obummer gave Iran billions in cash without going through Congress, paid ransom to terrorists not a peep but now it’s the same old BS from the ones that sponsored the nuclear efforts over the years. SMH


I believe the money was iran’s money the U.S. froze in the 80’s?

The $400 million was Iran’s to start with, placed into a US-based trust fund to support American military equipment purchases in the 1970s. When the Shah was ousted by a 1979 popular uprising that led to the creation of the Islamic Republic, the US froze the trust fund. Iran has been fighting for a return of the funds through international courts since 1981.

So why did Obama give them 1.7 Billion? We should have kept it and paid reparations to the nations and the people Iran damaged, including Americans. He even gave them interest on the money that probably financed not only the uranium enrichment program, but all of the state sponsored terror by Iran since then.

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Dirt] #8424255
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Funny the clowns never said a word when Obummer gave Iran billions in cash without going through Congress, paid ransom to terrorists not a peep but now it’s the same old BS from the ones that sponsored the nuclear efforts over the years. SMH


I believe the money was iran’s money the U.S. froze in the 80’s?

The $400 million was Iran’s to start with, placed into a US-based trust fund to support American military equipment purchases in the 1970s. When the Shah was ousted by a 1979 popular uprising that led to the creation of the Islamic Republic, the US froze the trust fund. Iran has been fighting for a return of the funds through international courts since 1981.



With or without congressional approval?

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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: GritGuy] #8424261
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
What changed, LOL wow, what a statement !!

The change was getting some one in the White house who had the sense to listen to his cabinet and go with what they suggested instead of trying to work some sort of scheme with other countries so Iran could continue to take our monies, given to them by that puppet talked about in your fearless statement !

The difference was Trump told them in no uncertain terms to change their actions and to stop threatening the USA, which Iran ignored for full consequences in their face, after several offers to negotiate and have others offer to negotiate a peaceful solution, Iran became unduly more belligerent to us and others.

The difference was that Trump had the nerve and the where with all to end this and now has once again asked for negotiations, or worse things could happen yet, what is the answer more missile launces into Israel, more threats against the USA

These people in Iran live under this for years now, religious lockdown, military lock down, blink the wrong way and you are locked up, they have no way to counter the Religious edicts placed on them with the R, Guards protecting those leaders and taking what they wish for payment, thats no change for your answer to what should have been done years ago !! Not even to mention how it would have change the whole area for a much need peace with others in the area !!



No the worse things that can happen are not mor missile into Israel.

Missiles into any of our bases that have 40k of troops inside their range would be much worse. Americans dead That will pull us into a full on ground war. Then there is the high probability of sleeper cells here in the US. that could be a small as the knife attacks and truck in crowds to taking down the electric grid.

I think Iran should have been handled a long time ago but it's alway good to really look at what's the worst that can happen honestly not with rose color glasses on.

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424262
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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424264
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Why in gods green earth would a president need congressional approval to let a country have access to its own money? 400 million was only part of the money.


Who is John Galt?
Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Dirt] #8424265
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Why in gods green earth would a president need congressional approval to let a country have access to its own money? 400 million was only part of the money.

Possibly to prevent him for doing something that's not in the best intrest of this country or its security.... just speculating here.... the fact that you think it would be absurd that he would have to has me scratching my head in light that Iran is probably the biggest sponsor of terrorism on the globe right now. Maybe terrorism should be a given right of any sovereign nation????

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424266
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Where does it say in the Constitution ?


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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: danny clifton] #8424267
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I believe if Trump found a cure for cancer there would be folks trying to outlaw it.


He did! Get your bleach at any supermarket! Oh, wait. That was for covid wasn't it?


My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Dirt] #8424268
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Where does it say in the Constitution ?

Im not sure if the President has or doesn't have the right to do it without congressional approval. Do you have evidence that he has that authority based of our laws?

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: beaverpeeler] #8424269
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by danny clifton
I believe if Trump found a cure for cancer there would be folks trying to outlaw it.


He did! Get your bleach at any supermarket! Oh, wait. That was for covid wasn't it?

I thought it was masks that saved us.

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424272
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PM now or then a question of why or why not, and what happened now will be talked about in the future just as you mention, why did it take so long to be taken care of ??

Do you actually believe that our country did not look at a worse scenario like you wish ? That's pretty foul thinking towards our own military and country !

Taking action like we have, has eliminated most of any mention of being in the area other than surrounding countries, don't you feel that if those other countries were worried about Iran threatening them they would have been vocal about us landing and then using their space for support ?

And saying Israel having more missiles directed is not a worry to you, really shows where you stand in support of any one trying to maintain a life of there own with out being bothered by continued threats !

Why do you believe that others now don't threaten us, except Russia or China who are comparatively equal with arms, it's not because we sit around and not do things to help others, it's because with give others a chance to be one of an equal group that helps others, Iran has never chosen that path as well as other countries in that region. Same as Russia and China, North Korea in their areas being bullies !

There is a big reason why other countries in that region have kept quiet about our giving Iran ultimatums for so long and letting us use their areas for our support for quicker action, its because they want Iran settled down as well and know that they cannot do it even if they went together on it, so for them to be a sleeping dog is a lot better than doing any barking and they can accept the excuse of, well we really did not do anything !


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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424278
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Im having issues uploading links or picks but from a simple search it appears the President doesn't have the power to give money to foreign countries without congressional approval

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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424283
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It was irans money in a trust.


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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: Dirt] #8424288
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Originally Posted by Dirt
It was irans money in a trust.

Does that give the President the power to release it to them without congressional authority?

Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424290
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Re: U.S. bombs Iran [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #8424293
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How about we ask AI, because we've been doing it exactly this way since the beginning.

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No, Thomas Jefferson did not receive a formal Congressional declaration of war. During his presidency, the United States engaged in the First Barbary War (1801-1805) against Tripoli, but this conflict was primarily handled as a series of defensive actions and naval blockades, without a formal declaration of war by Congress. Jefferson did seek and receive Congressional authorization to arm US ships in the Mediterranean to defend against Barbary pirate attacks. While Congress authorized military action, it was not a formal declaration of war.


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My big thought in this is how many of our sons and daughters, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be ground up in a no-exit war? If those in support of such armed conflicts would commit their children to front line positions, these conflicts would never happen. Negotiations don’t kill our kids. Seeking a legacy does. I’m all for defending THIS country but not thrilled about what’s inevitably going to happen in the Middle East.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Funny the clowns never said a word when Obummer gave Iran billions in cash without going through Congress, paid ransom to terrorists not a peep but now it’s the same old BS from the ones that sponsored the nuclear efforts over the years. SMH


I believe the money was iran’s money the U.S. froze in the 80’s?

The $400 million was Iran’s to start with, placed into a US-based trust fund to support American military equipment purchases in the 1970s. When the Shah was ousted by a 1979 popular uprising that led to the creation of the Islamic Republic, the US froze the trust fund. Iran has been fighting for a return of the funds through international courts since 1981.


The Obama administration secretly airlifted $400 million in cash to Iran. This money was owed as part of a failed arms deal prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. However, the U.S. had previously frozen at least $400 million of Iranian money in a Pentagon trust fund in 1979. The freeze was in retaliation for the seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran during the revolution.
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How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
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