Urines overrated in most situations. Especially junk urine.

Gasp!


That being said there is definitely situations and scenarios where it’s use is very advantageous.


But, I’d bet I use urine at less than 10% of fresh, new, clean, sets.

I believe it’s Wiley Carroll that said, and I’m paraphrasing….

Best way to screw up a coyote, change something in an area he’s familiar with.

Wanna screw him up two weeks later? Change it back.

Scent posts are very commonly.misunderstood , any object can be a scent post i tend to favor objects like grass clumps or droppings
Trap placement is about a hands with from the base of the object (if tall)
If low like droppings a couple inches.

The concept of literal posts in the ground or sticks being placed in a area
And expecting immidiete results is not a indication scent posts are inneffective. Typically ive seen them mark objects already there not overly large as often as normal sized clumps or tufts of grass or even bare ground where droppings previously were. Sometimes it is a delayed outcome but over the years i found scent posts for me to be extremely effective abd really simple to use

Scent post in the right spot. Usually I plant... No lure or urine but just a blind post has been one of my best ever sets

I've found quite often if you add a lure or urine to said post you create a pacer that goes and creates theys own post set 10 or 20 ft away..



The times I've put urine on the blind post is when I've caught one of a pair and taken urine from the caught partner and create a post nearby where it was caught.. Very very deadly especially later mid January on...

There's a time and place for it but I personally think in general people try to use visual stuff for coyotes too much. With the exception for turds or dirtholes if your coyotes arent on to them.Watching lots of coyotes working sets on videos my theory is you catch them by their nose not there eyes. In my area too many of the population can be spooked by new objects or two much visually going on. I've even tried bleached bones on several occasions and just can't make them work consistently unless they were already there even though every pasture has them in them.

A totally agree!
Remember in one of my replies I referred to a couple of trappers on a now-defunct trapping forum, that told me I was using gland lure wrong AND the foreign object was to be at least 10’ from a gland lured set. They strongly suggested I use visuals of dried out beef rib bones, or cow skulls and not use wood, charred or otherwise. I will also say that they gaslighted my videos saying I wasn’t seeing what I was seeing even as a “trained” observer! Such is life! LOL

In my experience, subtle soft natural marking tufts are hard for most canines or felines to pass up if made and placed well. Never was one to see the need for what some feel is a good hard marking object. Use what is natural to the area in most cases. Inserting droppings from other areas is beneficial and adds attraction.

I have had coyotes urinate on my M-44 signs. New and defiantly not natural. But I have also seen where they (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) on garbage also!

I’ve found that in and around recently logged units (5 years or less) wolves will happily pee on a beer can or 5 gallon oil bucket because they’re used to finding them so its not foreign to them. Just something to lift their leg on I guess

This spring I decided to do some testing with a post set. I placed a post along a known travel route. I placed it so it was off the trail a couple feet but sticking up so it could be easily seen. I put a dab of gland lure on it and placed a camera.
In two weeks I saw zero coyote come into the camera zone. The deer were very skiddish of this new object. After 2 weeks I knocked it over and tucked it into some grass tufts. The coyote found it and checked it out within days. A month later, without adding or freshening up the scent, coyote still visits it.
I thought it interesting how a new object was avoided but a hidden one was investigated. I also learned that the smells last longer than I thought. I just found this whole testing interesting and fun

Keep in mind once coyotes find an intresting odor they usually mark the area and that will keep them intrested in that spot. Not saying the lure isn't still detectable but because of the coyotes regularly marking that spot it kind of becomes a community sign post.

Yup, Yes Sir is absolutely correct! I found by my testing videos that once a coyote marks it, it’s like priming a pump. The other coyotes have to swing in and give a squirt, maybe a little kick-back or not and on their way again. Usually come and gone in less than a minute.

And yes, testing for me was very enjoyable, learned a ton from it and found it quite additive. It can become quite expensive but the knowledge gained made it worth every $ for me.

Thank you guys for sharing your experience and knowledge. I had not put it all together.

I've seen the dang things ignore every set I had and then go nose an empty potato chip bag the loggers tossed out all over the place. Since the potato chip bag was in a fresh plowed road you know it was fresh with plenty of human scent on it, but they were used to the loggers tossing stuff out and were comfortable with it. Now if you were to toss that bag out on a ridge a half mile from a road, I bet it would be a different story.

Canines will at times check out new objects, and at other times avoid them like the plague. So I usually try to use existing objects leave no disturbance, I figure that the ones that will check out a new object I place will probably check out that interesting smell by that rock that has been there their whole life also. So I've a better chance of catching them all if I leave the area natural. An exception to this is snow, I will often make new snowmobile tracks and set right in them, yeah it is freshly disturbed, but most coyotes or wolves will take the easy route on the packed trail (there are exceptions, but I usually also have sets that aren't in the trail to pick them up).