I'm sure there is tons of MY TAX MONEY being spent to make sure that people think that man made climate change is scientific fact and that the science is settled. Which of course, neither is true.

You don't need to be an expert on anything to recognize faulty reasoning.

1) You're equivocating on your challenge to "provide a reason why humans are incapable of influencing the Earth." Nobody would make that claim. Human beings obviously alter their environment, thus impacting the earth to some degree, but so do beavers and locusts, carp, bacteria and so on.

Is it possible that humans have caused climate change? Yes, but it's also possible that I will be the first human being to step foot on Mars. You're using the possibility of one thing to argue for the probability of another. That leap from possibility (which has such a low bar) to probability is an equivocation.

2) The burden of proof is on you to show that human action, rather than normal cyclical climate patterns, is a significant cause of climate change, which is the assertion you’re trying to make. Neither you nor the scientific community have sufficiently made that case.

No politics needed!

Very well articulated, JKeith.

Below is a link that discusses the natural CO2 production and also the increased creation of CO2 and how the planet can not keep up with the production and remove the CO2 fast enough to maintain natural levels.

Bryce

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...19CWEoo&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

1. I’ve asked if humans are capable of influencing these cycles. Finally, someone (you) admitted that it’s possible. And like I’ve stated several times already, the cycles are natural. In this case, I think it’s reasonable that humans have accelerated the cycles. Humans interact with the world in a much, much more complex way than a carp.

2. Like I’ve also stated, I’ve witnessed things that would suggest the acceleration influence is real. But I guess since I haven’t personally measured glaciers and core sampled the earth’s crust I’m not allowed to have an opinion or an open mind.

you can have as open of a mind as you like (some have such an open mind that their brain falls out).

but when a political movement says we have to upend centuries of economic practice to save the earth, they better come up with absolutely unimpeachable, real evidence that meets the Common Sense Smell Test (not faulty computer models, etc.) AND that treats every country the same.

I don’t make policy - foreign or domestic. Maybe Jkeith can provide us with some of his scientific papers to help influence policy and taxation since he’s so convicted on his pedestal.

Leroy, when you are reviewing the "scientific" papers that support your position, do me a favor...count how many times they use what I call weasel words: "may cause", "might result in", "likely to", "could lead to" etc. etc.

those aren't scientific conclusions...they are scare tactics.

do scare tactics have any place in a truly Scientific Paper?

The only way to know for sure is for man to leave the planet, climate zealots go first, after all the worlds going to end soon anyway.

Rat, I think it’s fair to say that nobody truly knows. But it seems foolish to me, as a land steward and outdoorsman who cares about the wild world I spend a lot of time in, to dig your heels in and say with absolute conviction that humans couldn’t impact our climate.

Again, big cities are a prime example of humans impacting temperatures and weather patterns in their “microclimate”. This is studied, measured, and proven.

But I’m not going to Mars. I’m going to write my Senator to push higher taxes on Jkeith, white marlin, and AntiGov so we can finally solve this problem.

Man probably has some slight, miniscule, impact on climate, but not enough to bankrupt the US. The real behind the scenes folks pulling the strings on the climate emergency are in it for the money. Oh and thanks for not mentioning me to your Senator, I pay enough taxes.

And of course nobody wants excessive taxation with no clear path to resolution. Isn’t that true for most of our tax money? For what it’s worth, I’m glad to not see Greta Thunberg in the news anymore.

On the other hand, I am for doom trolls, like Greta Thunberg and Al Gore, receiving as much publicity as possible. Sunshine is truly the best disinfectant.

.04%………

Hey they made headlines, made money and walked away with all of it, while not proving anything.
Shades of PETA, HSUS, and ASPCA! All scams that the ignorant fall for!

These same scientists I heard speak of Covid jabs and other BS a couple years back got their entire playbook from their mentors, the climate change expert scientists. Look at the billions of people they buffaloed a few years ago, many on here btw, into believing that their friend was trying to kill them and everyone else if they refused the jab…. I somehow am still here typing without the fake crap pumping thru my system.. just my point of view. I am not a Lemming, if that is above your head, look up what that means…. I’ll sleep well tonight knowing that at one time T Rex’s and later on Wooly Mammoth’s walked where my home is now, and I sure didn’t make things change, that’s up to the big guy…..

Funny how the same group of people always land on the same side regardless of past experience.

I think it’s funny how somebody can challenge a single idea and get lumped into a bunch of other crazy nonsense. Wonder if that still makes me the lemming?

Naw , you're just looking for an argument that you know won't go anywhere.

What does drinking polluted water from a well in Portland have to do with climate change ?