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Can someone explain the rational reasoning? #8443923
07/27/25 07:55 PM
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A person is convicted of 3 separate murders and recieves 3 consecutive life sentences without chance of parole. Why should this person be incarcerated in a prison for 3 life sentences on the taxpayers dime for food, clothing, medical, dental and everything else instead of just being injected, hung or shot?
Talk about a total waste of taxpayer funds, 308 rounds $.50 per round x7 equals $3.50, 223 rounds $ .25 per round x 7 equals $1.75, new rope figure $1.00 per foot x20 feet equals $20.00. Figure 50 years in prison at say even $15,000 per year (probably more) equals $750,000.
Stand him up against the wall pew,pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, saved the state $749,998.25.


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443925
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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443926
07/27/25 07:58 PM
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Because if he would confess they would not execute him. If they did not give him that choice he would have had said he did not do it and there would have been mutiple lawyer fees paid for us on both sides for appeal after appeal and that would have cost a lot more. BUT I agree shoot him......jk


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443947
07/27/25 08:27 PM
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I think I read somewhere it's above 50k to lock them up. maybe it was 30 but it's to much.

Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443948
07/27/25 08:32 PM
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They have TV in their cells today also.
About as rational as supporting idle healthy folks with 5 kids that just won't work.

Last edited by Gary Benson; 07/27/25 08:33 PM.

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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443957
07/27/25 08:46 PM
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If given a death sentence , they can drag it out for years, more money for the lawyers , and cost the tax payer even more.
Bring back the firing squad !

Lawyers like easy money!


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443962
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Just does not make sense right, kill one or many, found guilty,then get to live life out on the taxpayers money with benefits, WOW what a trade off.Money wasted.

Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443968
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Put them in a triage program that is like end of life care from day one in the system.

Get
shanked, stitch them up and don't worry about them. palliative care only and that only if available and under budget.

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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443978
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He is in a cage. Gonna have a horrible life. Cant hurt anyone out here in the free world. The other prisoners will make him wish he was executed. I am fine with his sentence.


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: danny clifton] #8443989
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
He is in a cage. Gonna have a horrible life. Cant hurt anyone out here in the free world. The other prisoners will make him wish he was executed. I am fine with his sentence.



What if they enjoy the other inmates attention?
Sorry but they murdered, with no remorse, and if actually seen committing the murder, trail , sentence and execution at sunrise.
With DNA it's fairly certain less than .001 percent chance of a wrong conviction.
Government wastes enough of taxpayers money!


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8443993
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It's one big club, and we ain't in it.


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8444045
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Originally Posted by Jingles
A person is convicted of 3 separate murders and recieves 3 consecutive life sentences without chance of parole. Why should this person be incarcerated in a prison for 3 life sentences on the taxpayers dime for food, clothing, medical, dental and everything else instead of just being injected, hung or shot?
Talk about a total waste of taxpayer funds ...


Three consecutive life sentences, as opposed to concurrent sentencing, pretty much ensures no eligibility (years served) before consideration for parole.

Why should this person be incarcerated for life? If in Washington state; the state legislatures and governor removed capital punishment off the books in 2023 after the Washington Supreme Court ruled capital punishment was unconstitutional due to arbitrary and racially biased application, in 2018. At that time, all death row inmates sentences (8) were commuted to life sentences.


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8444109
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I don't like spending money on prisons and I totally understand wanting to put a bullet in the murderer, but we'll need to come up with a way to not wrongfully convict people. Further, the government has been known to violate the constitution. So we need appeals.

But, the appeals take entirely too long--it should realistically be 2 to 3 years.

If however we are going to start summarily executing convicts, add child molesters/abusers and rapists to the list.

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add child molesters/abusers and rapists to the list


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Re: Can someone explain the rational reasoning? [Re: Jingles] #8444192
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Originally Posted by Jingles
A person is convicted of 3 separate murders and recieves 3 consecutive life sentences without chance of parole. Why should this person be incarcerated in a prison for 3 life sentences on the taxpayers dime for food, clothing, medical, dental and everything else instead of just being injected, hung or shot?
Talk about a total waste of taxpayer funds, 308 rounds $.50 per round x7 equals $3.50, 223 rounds $ .25 per round x 7 equals $1.75, new rope figure $1.00 per foot x20 feet equals $20.00. Figure 50 years in prison at say even $15,000 per year (probably more) equals $750,000.
Stand him up against the wall pew,pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, saved the state $749,998.25.



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because there was a definite period of time where LEO played investigations fast and loose , railroading convictions and people were convicted and later exonerated when the investigation was later looked at with greater scrutiny and DNA evidence was available.
this number is about 4% since 1973 that are exonerated.

because the legal costs to run a death sentence ad up to more than 2 million +

it actually is often less expensive to put them in a cage and keep them there the rest of their life than pay all the lawyers and legal fees and court costs.


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I used to argue hard for the death penalty studied it a bunch , the problem is you are trusting government to get it all right and really we don't have that much trust in government after seeing the repeated failures.

heck in high school government class I wrote a death penalty bill and it was argued by the classes as a mock congress.

the issue is government gets stuff wrong all the time , so you can't trust it to get it right , it usually comes from someone being lazy and taking a short cut along the way to make their job easier , I mean a government worker taking the easy way out who could imagine that. Then they either destroy the evidence of that short cut or find a way to double down on what their reasoning was.

Thus it is left as a states right , some states do and some states don't
it is up to the state to decide if they want to pay one bill or the other.

there is also little evidence that the people committing or thinking about committing such crimes take into consideration life vs death penalty , the reality is they are seldom thinking about getting caught at all. or thinking at all about anything beyond the next day or few days.

you are thinking like a rational person , and trying to apply that logic to an irrational person.
many of your criminals who would possibly live long enough to tip the scale at more to house for life than pursue death penalty don't expect to see their 30th birthday , they see no future.


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They need to get turnt loose. Let "nature" take its course, if you know what I mean.

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