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Law Enforcement Guys..... #8444348
07/28/25 02:12 PM
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Help me understand the why of this....storming onto the plane. Why not quietly stand by until passengers are off the plane and clear and then take him into custody when he steps off plane onto jet way?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/shocking-video-10-agents-storm-plane-arrest-delta/


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444353
07/28/25 02:30 PM
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Wouldn't have any stories to tell each other that way.


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444355
07/28/25 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Help me understand the why of this....storming onto the plane. Why not quietly stand by until passengers are off the plane and clear and then take him into custody when he steps off plane onto jet way?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/shocking-video-10-agents-storm-plane-arrest-delta/

I'm not familiar with this incident, but to answer your question with a question: what if that pilot found out what was about to happened and took off again...suicidal mindset? With all the passengers still on board?

LE's element of surprise can save lives....

If it had been a passenger warrant....they'd likely waited, but one of the pilots still seated in the cockpit? Child sexual abuse charges? Nah...pounce on him asap!

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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444360
07/28/25 02:45 PM
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I get that.

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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444361
07/28/25 02:47 PM
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I think the answer you are going to get is , it allows them to control the narrative.

they know he is 100% sitting second seat when the plane pulls up to the gate

so they know who , where down to the seat and what he looks like and if they go on first they are dealing with just the cockpit.

if they wait they have to pick him out of a crowd or he gets tipped off that they are there for him , they want him to have no time to react.

while not the most convenient for the 200+ passengers it is the most convenient with the officers with the least possibility of a mistake in ID.


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444364
07/28/25 02:50 PM
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Same reason they didn't arrest David Koresh when he was jogging around town


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444371
07/28/25 03:04 PM
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"............. including Homeland Security Investigations agents and air marshals, storming the cockpit....."


Sounds like a bit of exaggeration to me.


Also pot calling the kettle black for Jim Hoft to publish an article about someone being arrested for child abuse . LOL !


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444383
07/28/25 03:31 PM
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Those cockpits are “storm proof” that might have something to do with it. LOL


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: Steven 49er] #8444500
07/28/25 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Same reason they didn't arrest David Koresh when he was jogging around town

Koresh was a jogger?


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8444519
07/28/25 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Same reason they didn't arrest David Koresh when he was jogging around town

Koresh was a jogger?



About every day and was clearly know about. Very simple and could have picked him up without incident. But You see what happened. Give men toys and they will find a way to play with them. A big part of why I don't thing every small town needs a swat team and tricked out with donated military equipment.

Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444606
07/28/25 10:35 PM
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Im not real informed on the Branch Davidian incident. I remember when and how it happened. Wasn't some illegal weapons/transactions involved?

Would arresting Koresh on the street have solved the problem of other Davidians and those illegal weapons back at the compound? Didn't Koresh have some loyal armed followers guarding the place?


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8444676
07/29/25 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Im not real informed on the Branch Davidian incident. I remember when and how it happened. Wasn't some illegal weapons/transactions involved?

Would arresting Koresh on the street have solved the problem of other Davidians and those illegal weapons back at the compound? Didn't Koresh have some loyal armed followers guarding the place?


Certainly, Swamp, it was much better to burn it all down. Saved alot of court time, paperwork, etc.

The airplane thing was all show. Once the plane was at the terminal there was no where to go. 2 officers could have arrested him when he walked off the plane.

Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444712
07/29/25 06:12 AM
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Every scenario is different. Not sure if you guys remember the Vince Lee incident up here? It’s a bit different, but if that officer would’ve went in hot and just shot the guy on the bus, look what he would’ve prevented…..and the RCMP would’ve hung the officer. Protocol. Only the dead victim was left on the bus so they hung tight while Vince carried on with his adventure. My trapping bud sees him on the streets of Winnipeg walking free, sometimes obviously off his meds. He had his name legally changed after his release.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: martentrapper] #8444743
07/29/25 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Im not real informed on the Branch Davidian incident. I remember when and how it happened. Wasn't some illegal weapons/transactions involved?

Would arresting Koresh on the street have solved the problem of other Davidians and those illegal weapons back at the compound? Didn't Koresh have some loyal armed followers guarding the place?


Certainly, Swamp, it was much better to burn it all down. Saved alot of court time, paperwork, etc.

The airplane thing was all show. Once the plane was at the terminal there was no where to go. 2 officers could have arrested him when he walked off the plane.



That was my thought. Wait until passengers were off the plane as normal, then move in and do what you got to do to nab him them. If the story is true, having 10 armed guys storm the plane and pull the guy out of the cockpit with passengers still on the plane seems over the top stupid to me. The guy wasn't John Dillenger armed with a machine gun. Narrative actually works against LEO's. Makes them look like a bunch of goons vs. the good guys.

I once witnessed a police / parent confrontation in which the three cops involved came in yelling and throwing weight around, when nothing of the sort was called for. They all came off looking like Barney Fife with a bullet. In only a few moments time they managed to alienate a group of parents who prior to that would have been a law officer's best friend for life.


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: martentrapper] #8444754
07/29/25 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Im not real informed on the Branch Davidian incident. I remember when and how it happened. Wasn't some illegal weapons/transactions involved?

Would arresting Koresh on the street have solved the problem of other Davidians and those illegal weapons back at the compound? Didn't Koresh have some loyal armed followers guarding the place?


Certainly, Swamp, it was much better to burn it all down. Saved alot of court time, paperwork, etc.

The airplane thing was all show. Once the plane was at the terminal there was no where to go. 2 officers could have arrested him when he walked off the plane.

What if he didnt walk off the plane? Stayed in the driver's seat and and fired the engines back off? With you, as a passenger, still on the plane?

Some of yall cant see very far past the end of your nose.


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444773
07/29/25 08:59 AM
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As I see it, he got on the plane suspecting nothing, completed the flight suspecting nothing, they pulled up to the gate suspecting nothing and by time jet way is moved over, plane is going nowhere, plus he had a pilot next to him. In normal course of things, LEO could have been hanging out in gate area, hiding out in the crowd, until it was time to move in.

Only thing I can think of to justify boarding plane in force as they did was if he was on to them and had already started acting up. They do that often when a passenger goes off the rails and needs restraint PDQ, but if that was the case, story leaves that part out.


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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: HayDay] #8444839
07/29/25 11:25 AM
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Lotta monday morning quarterbacks on here. The suspect was arrested and nobody got hurt. I dont care if a passenger was 'offended' by the sight of armed law enforcement officers arresting someone. Likely pedophile is off the street. End of story.

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07/29/25 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HayDay
As I see it, he got on the plane suspecting nothing, completed the flight suspecting nothing, they pulled up to the gate suspecting nothing and by time jet way is moved over, plane is going nowhere, plus he had a pilot next to him. In normal course of things, LEO could have been hanging out in gate area, hiding out in the crowd, until it was time to move in.

Only thing I can think of to justify boarding plane in force as they did was if he was on to them and had already started acting up. They do that often when a passenger goes off the rails and needs restraint PDQ, but if that was the case, story leaves that part out.

How many people have a felony warrant on them and don't know it?

After nearly 30 year career in LE....I can tell you....NOT MANY!

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Re: Law Enforcement Guys..... [Re: midlander] #8444854
07/29/25 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by midlander
Lotta monday morning quarterbacks on here. The suspect was arrested and nobody got hurt. I dont care if a passenger was 'offended' by the sight of armed law enforcement officers arresting someone. Likely pedophile is off the street. End of story.

Boom! Spot on^^^^

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