I know there has been a lot of discussion concerning the P320 and accidental discharges. I own a 320 M18 and here is an email Sig sent to me for what its worth.

Zim


SIG SAUER
P320 Information
P320 Safety Information

Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information.

SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts.

The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.

FBI Testing and Report

A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing.

Department of Homeland Security

An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America.

U.S. Air Force M18

There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information.

P320 Range and Training Bans

Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth.

The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here.

As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses.

We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team.



SIG SAUER, Inc.
72 Pease Blvd.
Newington, NH 03801

No longer want to receive these emails? Unsubscribe.
SIG SAUER 72 PEASE BLVD NEWINGTON, New Hampshire 03801

What is they say to do when you find yourself in a hole?

This is the guy who seems to be the one man wrecking crew as far as Sig is concerned. He has been able to get almost every P320 he can get his hands on to do the same thing. But note, he has a screw in the trigger to hold it back to the takeup position. It does not fire until he messes with the slide.

Just buy a Hellcat

Revolver- works every time for me

Well yea everybody puts a screw in the trigger

As a design and produced development test engineer, on can design a test to produce a set of failures! While it's indeed interesting and rises questions ... nothing is known about the history of test gun and if it meets production specs.

As a disclaimer, I do not know any striker fired handguns.

Of more interest would be, if the weapon had the trigger slack taken up and then released, would the sear fully reengage and render the weapon safe while the slide is manipulated as demonstrated in the video or whether the sear retains its position and therefore subject to disengagement (firing) upon slide manipulation?

Zim, I have the M17 and it’s my favorite gun.
Jim

Zim i have a M17, no problems, shoots well

If you take up the trigger slack, then manipulate the slide as done in the video, will yours do the same thing?

The screw was placed there to hold trigger back so it could be shown he was not pulling the trigger.

And remember, this latest hub bub started when an airman removed his still holstered weapon, then placed it on a table in front of him. It fired when he set it down, which unfortunately was pointed at himself at the time.

Lawdog,thats what I did!

I like my .45 S/W Shield also great grip and function slim for a .45.

oh they are still at it deny deny deny

it is a pre co-cked striker , without a firing pin block

the term is uncommanded discharge and it just killed an airman , last week Tuesday morning every air force base security person was carrying an M4 because the air force ordered all M18 pistols be unloaded and returned to armory


unfortunately this will probably end sig as a manufacturer

a shame the 365 an several of their other guns were good.

then you haven't shot it enough , Everything breaks , it is how it breaks that makes the difference.

the FBI lab after many xrays and inspections has made it repeatable IF the spring that is supposed to hold the striker safety lock hung up then the sear was the only thing holding it and could release.

from the FBI report
A significant finding was that the striker safety lock could become ineffective during real-world duty movement, allowing the striker to release without the trigger being pressed.


so SIG is going to play the "IF properly functioning it can not" , the thing is springs hang up , stuff gets dirty , so leaving any single point of failure is an issue. when the striker safety bar is not holding the striker then the sear is just a notch with not a lot of engagement surface.

the issue is , you can't easily tell properly functioning from not ,not without xraying your gun to see where the striker safety bar is positioned and that could change next time you move.

and a sample size of 1,2,3

not 500K

the real question is , knowing what has happened multiple times with holstered 320/m17/m18 that all share the same FCU fire control unit , are you ready to load up some 124 speer gold dots toss it in your holster and carry appendix with it pointed at your junk.

cause that is true confidence and I wouldn't go there.

I want to see every sig executive carrying a 320 appendix loaded just like that.

because even if it is just all the approved holsters that cause the discharge , I still wouldn't want to be carrying like that.

It started long before that. There have been uncommanded discharges going off for months now. And before that it had the drop safety issue.

I'm with you. I also firmly believe that any condition one auto should have an on off switch that doesn't involve the trigger.

One thing for sure is if you trust what sig says and there is not an issue. You can sure buy a lot of 320s used very cheap right now.

Myself, even if it's a one in 5 million chance it's not worth the risk for me.

It was at least a year ot two back I watched a video of some cops in a classroom at desk and a guy's sig went off in his duty belt and his hands were on the desk. That was enough for me. Just the thought of putting my side arm on the table otr night stand and having it fire possibly hiting my family. Hard pass from me.

I really like the pistol, shoots well. I have a Sig P365 for a carry gun and a H&K VP9 which is really sweet. Have a Kimber and a Dan Wessson 1911, a Colt Python and a Ruger GP100 .357 along with a couple 22 revolvers. Not hurting for hand guns by any means and not sure I have a need for one that I have doubts about.

Zim