Re: Still believing in climate change?
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How close is Venus to a sun? Tough comparison Venus has other differences besides that. Venus has no moon, it lacks a significant magnetic field, and it lacks tectonic plates. They do say that the sun will become hot enough in a billion years for all our oceans to boil away, so we're going to have to figure something out by then.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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I may have missed it, but what is the correct temperature of the earth supposed to be? You can ask this question over and over and all you'll get is deflection because there is NO baseline temperature for the earth. Are you suggesting it should be a set temperature? We know what temperatures are habitable and what temperatures are relative to averages gathered over hundreds of years.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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It's not necessarily about optimal temperature, but the most sensationalist voices worry about triggering a runaway greenhouse effect with a vicious feedback loop (as the earth heats up, more greenhouse gases are released, which heats the earth more and releases more greenhouse gases) that will turn us into Venus.
Venus has much more than 410 ppm of CO2 in its atmosphere and it wasn't put there by man burning fossil fuels, so I'm very skeptical that we're anywhere near triggering a runaway greenhouse effect. beaverpeeler has spoken specifically about permafrost thawing and releasing methane, but there have been periods in the earth's past that were warmer than now and the thawed permafrost didn't trigger a runaway greenhouse effect.
How close is Venus to a sun? Tough comparison Mars' atmosphere is 95 percent CO2...
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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How close is Venus to a sun? Tough comparison Venus has other differences besides that. Venus has no moon, it lacks a significant magnetic field, and it lacks tectonic plates. They do say that the sun will become hot enough in a billion years for all our oceans to boil away, so we're going to have to figure something out by then. Right. So would you say Venus is irrelevant given its many dissimilarities to Earth? I hope I live long enough to see the boil. Would be a lot of excellent eating crab from the Pacific.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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Yes, but again, proximity to the Sun is a very important variable. Mars’ proximity is much further relative to Earth’s. Remember all the variables we have to keep in mind? Shouldn't matter if the prime variable is CO2. That kind of greenhouse effect would trap every photon that reaches the planet, accumulating over millions of years.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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Climate change believers are gayer than a $3 bill....Driving their Toyota Prius or electric car, bunch of emasculated girly men fretting about their carbon footprint & saving the planet. Climate change geeks wear skinny jeans, obsess about the environment, eat rabbit food, and get misty eyed listening to Elton John & Celine Dion. Here's some settled science - If you eat beef, wear bib overalls, like burning coal to produce electricity, drive a pickup with a V8, have a Chris Stapleton CD, and hate AL Gore like no other....There's 100% chance your not gay. Lol 
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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I find it interesting that the Movement has targeted CO2 of all greenhouse gasses to choose from. Do they not understand that ALL of the oxygen which we breathe comes from CO2 via photosynthesis by plant life mostly from the oceans? Let's say that these politically motivated hacks one day find a way to get rid of CO2 and clumsily go too far and severely damage life on Earth, or kill every lifeform on Earth? Far fetched you say? These people are willing to destroy the world economy, especially the US, for 2 degrees Fahrenheit. I also find it interesting that these "scientists" are using Fahrenheit when everyone knows that scientists use Celsius. Why, you might ask? It is simply because 2 degrees Fahrenheit equals 0.8 degrees Celsius. 0.8 just doesn't sell as well as 2. Disingenuous cocka-doodle doos, these people are.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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LOL. The Tman anti-science crew should post their education level and highest math and science classes. And grades.
Some of the flat out dumbest people in the country have advanced degrees. To study the climate and to have a credible opinion on climate change, you have to know the math and science. Sorry. But it's true. I know you internet experts don't think actual education and actual expertise matter--but it does. So, let's hear it. Highest math and science?
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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To study the climate and to have a credible opinion on climate change, you have to know the math and science. Sorry. But it's true.
I know you internet experts don't think actual education and actual expertise matter--but it does.
So, let's hear it. Highest math and science?
How did your "experts" do with managing COVID?
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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To study the climate and to have a credible opinion on climate change, you have to know the math and science. Sorry. But it's true.
I know you internet experts don't think actual education and actual expertise matter--but it does.
So, let's hear it. Highest math and science?
How did your "experts" do with managing COVID? Man I was just thinking about that lol. Think of all the degrees in math and science who helped us. Maybe there will be a shot for climate change you can get. Probably gonna take a few though….
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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Yes, but again, proximity to the Sun is a very important variable. Mars’ proximity is much further relative to Earth’s. Remember all the variables we have to keep in mind? Shouldn't matter if the prime variable is CO2. That kind of greenhouse effect would trap every photon that reaches the planet, accumulating over millions of years. Not true. Look it up. Depends on a lot of things, specifically the wavelength. A lot of visible light passes through the atmosphere untrapped.
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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So... you're claiming that The Earth is increasing in temperature due to rising carbon dioxide concentrations.
I pointed out a place that has a lot higher percentage of CO2, yet is very cold.
I suggest you write a letter to the scientists at NOAA and NASA and inform them of this. You may totally change their view of climate change..... ..and at the very least get a nice little chuckle and your letter pinned onto the coffee break room wall.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Still believing in climate change?
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So... you're claiming that The Earth is increasing in temperature due to rising carbon dioxide concentrations.
I pointed out a place that has a lot higher percentage of CO2, yet is very cold.
Mars also has an extremely thin atmosphere, a much smaller mass than the Earth to hold onto that atmosphere and is close to twice the distance from the sun than Earth is, braniac. With a smaller mass, solar winds strip the atmosphere away causing it to be as thin as it is. It doesn't have near the blanketing and insulating effect as Earth's atmosphere- coupled with the fact that it is 50 million more miles away from the sun compared to the earth.. yeah, it's going to be colder. Man, you're a smart one.
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