WOW JUST WOW!
Sounds like a city slicker that just found out about plowing, disking and planting.
Trouble is it was just to attract deer. doesn't know anything about growing crops.
Reminds me of the city slicker that bough 80 acres at a FHA auction of a foreclosed farm.
Hunted on all the neighbors property and would come off their property to run them off his.
Same city slicker bragged to me when I caught him hunting on property he had no permission to hunt.
That he stocked pen raised quail on the property.
Medicated birds turned loose into wild birds.
Turkey flock disappeared in a year.
There's more to wild life and farming than most people have any idea of!
Do what you do, but don't start calling names.

Ohio Wolverine,
You should read this entire thread before entering your 2 cents worth.

I did , just what I feel is fact!

I agree with grampa on this. (lol)
I fed my family for years on just a little bit of gas money, a few boxes of ammo and reasonable licence fees.

Bunch of dang women in a barber shop in this thread! Good lord , do what you please. Everything is expensive if ya haven’t noticed, just gotta keep on keepin on! Hunt how you want, ought not fight amongst ourselves.

And don’t bash the landowners, ranchers and farmers.

I've paid to deer hunt most of my life. Just the cost of doing business I guess. What I hate about leases is that farmers will lease to duck hunters but because it is leased they can't even allow you to go and kick up a rabbit or shoot a squirrel. That small game hunting that most kids, at least when I was coming up, cut their teeth on.

Is it true what I heard? The vast majority of fly fishermen only do it because they suck at golf? lol

That's a fact, it just takes more opportunity away from many people.

Very different here.
Highly suburbanized. Very few large properties over 10 acres. Only a few farms still here.

Baiting is legal in my county and another county nearby. The DEP ( Department of Environmental Protection ) wants you to go out and wack em and stack em. Too many deer here and no place to hunt them.

Pooching deer here is kinda common , but kept quiet. 99% of that is trespass hunting with no permission.

The game wardens kinda look the other way unless pushed to stop it. They know the deer population needs to be culled back a bit. Plus we have few game wardens here and they are kept busy going after an endangered snail or something.

You sir have no clue about me, but if you truly read this thread you'd learn a little more.

I was planting plots for deer in the late 80s. Im not a farmer....never claimed to be. Dont have to be a farmer to enjoy riding a tractor bush hogging logging roads, disking and planting plots, etc.I do my best deer scouting from the seat of a tractor when mowing woods roads and access trails.

Ive spent my entire life in the woods involved in some sort of wildlife and land management here in southern Georgia. Food plots, road maintenance, controlled burning, supplemental feeding, etc. Yep..have spent thousands of dollars of my $$ on this and assisted other landowners/leasors with their wildlife management activities.

Obtained my wildlife degree in the 90s, was hired by the state as a GW. I captured the last wild turkeys in the late 90s with a cannon net that Georgia used for our restocking program Ive captured several nuisance bears at beeyards and tranq'd them and relocated/released them. I was the state GW instructor that trained new Ga GWs how to locate & apprehend illegal trappers. I could go on an on.

Since Ive retired, the state contracted with me to collect deer lymph nodes across southern Ga for our CWD detection program. Last November, a buck I sampled was Ga's first known CWD positive deer.

To say Im some city slicker wannabe deer manager is laughable.

The so called name calling you're referring to from me are those that hunt on another's land free and then complains when they lose that free option and then the same ones have the audacity to call me out for leasing, food plotting, etc. Leasing has been amd remains my only option to stay in the woods as much as I want. My lease is 2 miles from my residence. This is the 25th year Ive enjoyed that tract of land.

Due to being retired, I go to my lease EVERY day. When I was working, I was in the woods or on the river, every day also....but I was getting paid then. Now I just spend money on something I love dearly...lol

Wildlife and land management is fun!!!

I enjoy seeing stuff growing for the deer & turkeys that I planted (and seeing that they're utilizing it) about as much as I enjoy seeing dried, clean, brushed pelts hanging in my fur room at the end of fur season.

Just an inexperienced "city slicker"! Lol

Ive done more wildlife management work in a month than most folks have in their entire lives.

And..STILL LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT! Even though I have to pay & sweat to play.

Many beavers, coyotes, coons, etc have died and paid for 99% of all this.

More....

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Not sure about fly fishermen, but I know for a fact that so called meat hunters are simply not good at killing mature bucks....lol....so, they became professed meat hunters.

Swamp, I assume you are putting me in the “complainers” group. And I suppose you are correct. If it helps my standing in your assessment, instead of hunting myself I took a buddy who had never killed a turkey to my spot, and got him his first. Then, since that was opening day, I took a friend’s daughter who was hunting under a youth tag and got her first one also a few days later. Actually I just picked the spots and gave them some calling lessons, then let them use my decoys and pitched a blind next to them and enjoyed the show. Indiana law does not allow me to call for someone else (even if I do not have a gun) without a tag.
But yeah, I am standing by my statement that the state can keep “their” overgrown sparrow for $53 or $56 or whatever it was. Turkeys just aren’t that big of deal to me, so that’s my choice. I would go $20, but they aren’t taking bids. You are correct that another big bird just is not important enough to me. And so I am a complainer, I will admit it. But not complaining too much, because again, another turkey is not terribly important to me. I spend a lot of time in the wild places, and turkey hunting just doesn’t add much percentage wise.
I did really enjoy watching the buddy and the young lady get their birds though, more than I would have enjoyed blasting one myself, and the best part, it was next to free (i hunt private land, no lease or fee, spoiled for life I am…)
I do hear what you are saying, people pay big $ for extra curricular activities all the time, but in my case the turkey wasn’t worth the $56 they are charging now. Maybe it is a clue to how important shooting another one is to me that I refer to them as overgrown sparrows. No shade to those who love turkeys, just not a huge deal to me.

Story time, Vinke quit reading a while ago but some may find it funny..
Was at the Primitive Archery National Shoot in Marshall MI a couple decades ago and the subject of turkeys came up in camp. Norm, an avid turkey hunter who used flintlocks he made himself to chase them, was talking about how smart they are, and another buddy looked him dead in the eye and said “dumbest animal in the woods!”. Norm gave him the stink eye, and the guy said “I will give you an example! You are walking in the woods with your buddy, and hear what sounds like a particularly attractive lady at the top of the hill calling out ‘oh boys, I am soooooo in love with you, come up here and show me some lovin’ boys!!! Come on what are you boys waiting for, I’m right here!’. Now you may be good friends, but some things are worth competing for so you both run up that hill elbowing each other to get there first. Your buddy is faster and gets there first…. BOOM, he gets his head blown off. You run away in terror but you get halfway down the hill, and you hear that same attractive sounding lady at the top of hill saying “Im still here, and your buddy is flopping like a weirdo, come back, I am all yours now big boy. What would you do? Because I doubled on turkeys just like that last season!
Norm joined everyone in a good laugh, he didn’t mind losing that argument.

Good for you, nice come back!
I said you sound like a city slicker, I didn't call you one.
I gave you an example of city people owning land , and thinking they can do as they please on other peoples property.
Another example is hunt clubs, they lease property, and the members are supposed to ask permission to hunt on a leased farmers land.
Many reasons for that, as you may know.
It was always funny that I worked most of my life on that farm, and even the grandkids know I have permission to hunt when ever .
That farmer told me that I don't have to ask, but that I was the only one that ever did.
Those members tore up the lane driving on it when raining, rutted up the lane so bad, it was hard to drive in it.
They decided to make a new lane in the field.
That's the city slickers that ruin it for everyone.
The modern rack hunters of today.
Most farm people hunted for the meat, and helped keep the population in check.
City slickers only want the huge racks, and could care less how they get them.
I'm sure you've seen how they leave a camp site, full of empty cans and trash.
Just like they go off roading and tear up the hill sides just for fun.
Lost a lot of great camping sites in a couple states , because of that crap.
The closer you get to civilization , the less civil people become.

…. Got a pic of this one a my game cam in government woods

You are correct. Ive seen all that and more from people. Good folks willing to do things right are sorta rare, unfortunately.

Antlers have caused bad relations and dumb reactions. Even family members have had bad falling outs over deer. I feel everyone should do their part and there should be no animosity. But, that rarely happens. I have always been told that 10% of folks that hunt on a property do 100% of the work. I have found that to be mostly true....in most cases.

Take care and happy hunting & trapping!