Re: Thoughts?
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I find it weird that people who generally are against government control cheer for this particular kind of government control. Especially for some one who is loved by his community. Core common sense Malum en Se laws are defined as wrong in fact laws such Murder, Theft, Trespass. Conservativism and Constitutional law is pretty much cut and dried on enforcing these. What Conservatism and Constitutional law adamantly oppose is the ever increasing proliferation of Malum en Prohibitum or wrong by administrative edict regulation that erodes fundamental liberty. In the case of this particular pastor he violated a most basic malum en se rule. He entered into and remained within a tribal boundary that he was not a member of. It's rather basic when you think about it. Sounds like you are saying you get to pick and choose what laws matter and should be obeyed. I say give the dude his citizenship, he's earned it by his faithful service.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Thoughts?
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Is this the one who tried to get a green card repeatedly? I have no idea, just that ICE came in during church service and took him out. During the service? Did they actually show pictures of it or is this what the mainstream media or hearsay reported? That’s the word. I have no idea about what the media has to say, I don’t watch it.
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Re: Thoughts?
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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One of my local grocery store turned into a Bodega, and I gotta say I'm sick and tired of accordian/trumpet music and trying to figure out what's in a can that has a label with NO english on it.
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Thoughts?
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Core common sense Malum en Se laws are defined as wrong in fact laws such Murder, Theft, Trespass. Conservativism and Constitutional law is pretty much cut and dried on enforcing these.
What Conservatism and Constitutional law adamantly oppose is the ever increasing proliferation of Malum en Prohibitum or wrong by administrative edict regulation that erodes fundamental liberty.
In the case of this particular pastor he violated a most basic malum en se rule. He entered into and remained within a tribal boundary that he was not a member of. It's rather basic when you think about it.
Sounds like you are saying you get to pick and choose what laws matter and should be obeyed. I say give the dude his citizenship, he's earned it by his faithful service. No, I'm not. Reread that, slowly this time. We as a society, as do all functional societies, have certain basic taboos that shall not be crossed. Conservatives, and one would think the left are in agreement enforcing these to the max. The rest are the no spit on the sidewalk stuff that all societies need to stop fist fights over breaking wind in the wrong place. Generally conservatives will always question the need and must be convinced through logic and reason for their need. We are at the point where the left is opposed to enforcement of anything otherwise taboo and instituting no farting in the privacy of your own home laws.
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Re: Thoughts?
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Yep. Jews wanted the Romans gone real bad.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Thoughts?
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During the service? Did they actually show pictures of it or is this what the mainstream media or hearsay reported? That’s the word. I have no idea about what the media has to say, I don’t watch it. [/quote] Where are you hearing "the word?" I'm not seeing anything about this in my news sources.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Thoughts?
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I found the news story. Daniel Fuentes Espinal was arrested after leaving a Lowes, when he arrived at a jobsite, for staying here illegally after his visa expired. He was not arrested at the church. "ICE agents reportedly detained him outside a jobsite. His family said Fuentes Espinal had left Lowe's, where he was gathering materials for a carpentry job. After a brief stay at a Baltimore-area facility, he was transferred to a federal detention center in Louisiana, where he now awaits a bond hearing." https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/.../65-4b535bba-0e01-4f5c-a8fa-b25933270279Most media outlets are lying about this to support their liberal, anti American agenda. If you read between the lines in the various articles. He was just another illegal construction worker, who was involved in his church, not a full time, head pastor. Keith
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I have no idea, just that ICE came in during church service and took him out.
Just like Jesus would have wanted.... Jesus would've called him a thief.
Honor a Soldier. Be the kind of American worth fighting for.
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Re: Thoughts?
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I learned Sunday that a pastor at a local church was taken out in handcuffs by ice. He apparently has been pastoring the church for the past 13 to 14 years, but he came here illegally. I found the news story. Daniel Fuentes Espinal was arrested after leaving a Lowes, when he arrived at a jobsite, for staying here illegally after his visa expired. He was not arrested at the church. "ICE agents reportedly detained him outside a jobsite. His family said Fuentes Espinal had left Lowe's, where he was gathering materials for a carpentry job. After a brief stay at a Baltimore-area facility, he was transferred to a federal detention center in Louisiana, where he now awaits a bond hearing." https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/.../65-4b535bba-0e01-4f5c-a8fa-b25933270279Most media outlets are lying about this to support their liberal, anti American agenda. If you read between the lines in the various articles. He was just another illegal construction worker, who was involved in his church, not a full time, head pastor. Keith
Eh...wot?
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Re: Thoughts?
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Just like Jesus would have wanted....
Jesus would've called him a thief. Thief? Guy was on his way to work. Some of y'all have a screwed up view of Jesus. And Christianity. I get that they're illegals, but let's not pretend Jesus would wear an ICE jacket and cruise Lowe's (or churches) looking to deport people.
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Blaine…..My Jesus would punch you in the face … call you a commie and then take a leak on your pride flag lol
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Re: Thoughts?
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He has a Mediterranean work visa Jesus came and worked on one of our machines at work here a while back. He was out of TX so I thought it may be the same guy but he wasn't of Mediterranean stock.
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Re: Thoughts?
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[quote=Aaron Proffitt]
Thief? Guy was on his way to work.
Some of y'all have a screwed up view of Jesus. And Christianity.
I get that they're illegals, but let's not pretend Jesus would wear an ICE jacket and cruise Lowe's (or churches) looking to deport people. "Verily,verily I say unto you ,whoever, he that enterth not by the door into the fold of the sheep , but climbs up some other way,the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:1 Those aren't my words.
Honor a Soldier. Be the kind of American worth fighting for.
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