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Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450588
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Then don't use brass!

Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450596
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Originally Posted by Killbuck
Then don't use brass!


Steel works as russian ammo shows but it comes with issues like not flexing, shrinking once fired, leading to cases more or less stuck in the chamber. The new 6.8 case uses a two part steel head brass cylinder front mechanically locked together to get around the high pressure steel case problem. But it's not an easy or inexpensive fix. And the new 6.8 rifle is showing some teething issues in the field now.

Caseless or telescoping may be a thing but you still have the whole how to seal the pressure vessel that brass currently does. The brass case is essentially a gasket on a piston head.


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Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Providence Farm] #8450601
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Killbuck
I'm talking about new technology, not just stuffing more powder in a case. Same old brass case, barrel steel etc. Its been more than 50 years. $$ is no object. Lots of 5000.00 dollar rifles with 4000.00 thermal scopes.


Portable power supply and batteries are limited for man portable lazers as far as I have seen. But it's not science I follow closely.

A light saber sounds fun untill you remember how often you cut yourself with your pocket knife.


That portable power thing is the hold up on the electromagnetic propulsion guns. That tech has already shown the potential to surpass conventional powder driven velocities.


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Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450607
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I think the main reason for not higher velocities is it gains u so little for the troubles it brings. Though there are people working on it. Just look at the calibers u mentioned, they haven't exactly caught on despite their speed.

Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450612
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I have a Savage 110ML that uses smokeless powder in a muzzleloader. No case. Approaching 375 H&H ballistics.

Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450633
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Imo it gets to the point where there just not much point in higher velocity. Can get my 17-5.56 kak up to 5k with a 15.5 GR bullet but why ? Lower brass life , lower barrel life ect.

The ELR and UELR guys are doing. Some really cool stuff but there to the point where it's basically man portable artillery.

Now on a side notw these a few guys taking the .277 furry bi metal case and rednecking them and doing some ...very interesting things swore I saw one guy running a .243 at close to 4500fps but...


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Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450653
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Originally Posted by Killbuck
I have a Savage 110ML that uses smokeless powder in a muzzleloader. No case. Approaching 375 H&H ballistics.


It's a more or less, minus the flash hole, a sealed vessel. The flash hole has a brass cap/primer and iirc that one is an inline locking bolt for a more positive stop on the primer.

Standard rifles are unsealed with the chamber. The brass case, supported by a locked bolt, functions as a sealing gasket.

Caseless ammo would require some sort of sealed vessel and steel on steel has always been problematic at getting a complete seal. It can be done as the big 16" rifles on the battleships were essentially caseless with just powder and shell.


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Other problem with the 5k+ is you probably won't see it legalized for hunting outside of out west.

Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450829
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Originally Posted by Killbuck
I have a Savage 110ML that uses smokeless powder in a muzzleloader. No case. Approaching 375 H&H ballistics.


I love mine. Shot the same .45 xtp out of black powder for years almost always had to follow the blood trail. Got my savage ml2 and they almost always drop. Amazing waht 300 to 400 fps will accomplish.

The plastic sabot is why they don't shoot faster. BAD BULL makes some in KY that don't use a sabot that hit around 3k fps. But they are above my willing to pay price range so far.

Re: why substandard ballistics [Re: Killbuck] #8450835
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On the 5,000 fps, what is the point or purpose? What does that get you when bullet arrives at it's final destination that 3,200 fps doesn't?


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