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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Blaine County] #8453707
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
It should not have ever been illegal.

It is a plant. And, the government has no business telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

Freedom, people. Freedom. It is a good thing.


Then you and your libertarian fruits should be screaming to legalize meth, heroin and cocaine.

I wonder if you draw the freedom line at these drugs? If you do, you a hypocrite. If you don't, you're an idiot. You talk about making society better in one breath by getting rid of welfare and making people work then in another breath you talk about the benefits of adding drug use to an already doped up society. SMH!!!

But because you're a lawyer you will never be wrong in your own mind.


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Windstalker] #8453709
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Originally Posted by Windstalker
Why should the government dictate what you can and cannot do. Should we ban alcohol and guns because they also kill people? I mean let’s at least be consistent. Decisions and irresponsibility kill people, objects/drugs don’t.




Did you seriously just type that drugs don't kill people?

Ever heard of narcan?


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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: bowhunter27295] #8453757
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Blaine County
It should not have ever been illegal.

It is a plant. And, the government has no business telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

Freedom, people. Freedom. It is a good thing.


Then you and your libertarian fruits should be screaming to legalize meth, heroin and cocaine.

I wonder if you draw the freedom line at these drugs? If you do, you a hypocrite. If you don't, you're an idiot. You talk about making society better in one breath by getting rid of welfare and making people work then in another breath you talk about the benefits of adding drug use to an already doped up society. SMH!!!

But because you're a lawyer you will never be wrong in your own mind.

He’s right, though. If you want to be a meth head, go for it. The fact that it’s illegal stops no one. The war on drugs is a waste of resources.
Do whatever drugs you want, just don’t bill me for your behavior.

Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Pike River] #8453764
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….. I knew a guy that liked the way that Chrystal meth smelled

… coon huntin son of a gun lol


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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Pike River] #8453786
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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: bowhunter27295] #8453787
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Windstalker
Why should the government dictate what you can and cannot do. Should we ban alcohol and guns because they also kill people? I mean let’s at least be consistent. Decisions and irresponsibility kill people, objects/drugs don’t.




Did you seriously just type that drugs don't kill people?

Ever heard of narcan?


Someone made the conscious decision to take the drug that may or may not kill them. Who is forcing someone to shoot up and OD? It was their own choice. Addictions start with a choice in the beginning, no excuses.

Guns kill people every day too, because someone made a decision to use them in that manner. Should we make them illegal? That is the individuals poor choice and irresponsibility.

Alcohol kills people daily. Because someone made the decision to be irresponsible. Should we make alcohol illegal?

Please explain the differences. It’s two sides of the same tree. People make bad decisions and act irresponsibly every day with all sorts of things. Does that mean they should ruin it for those that make good decisions and act responsibly? Why does big brother get to decide what is and what is not acceptable?

Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Windstalker] #8453842
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Originally Posted by Windstalker
Decisions and irresponsibility kill people, objects/drugs don’t.


Not all decisions are legal, nor should they be.

Re: Marijuana Change [Re: trapdog1] #8453843
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Originally Posted by trapdog1

He’s right, though. If you want to be a meth head, go for it. The fact that it’s illegal stops no one. The war on drugs is a waste of resources.
Do whatever drugs you want, just don’t bill me for your behavior.


I understand what you are saying but it is myself or my family or yours that will suffer from the actions done in a drug induced state by choice. Then there will be a lawyer that will take up his case and plead his tough life and broken family and blah blah blah while you or I mourn the death of family.

I get the alcohol thing but just like the 2A, are you willing to give up a little bit and hope the slippery slope doesn't start? I am not.

Freedom comes with a cost. If it means ensuring people are not more intoxicated that they already are with legal and illegal drugs, so be it.

For the life of me I don't understand drug legalization. It benefits no society. EVER!!


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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: KeithC] #8453847
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by BigBob
Just what the world needs is another class of crap faced drivers on our roads!!!!! Grrr mad
AND, to those dope eaters that say it's no worse than alcohol, Well Is it any better??

Well, yes, actually it is better. A lot better. Like, by a huge margin.

178,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Basically zero marijuana related deaths per year.

(I'm not a marijuana user, btw. Tried it a couple times right out of highschool. Not for me).


Pretty easy to test is somone is drunk (aka currently on alcohol)
No way yo know if THC is active in the system.
That makes the statistics hard to figure out, but I agree alcohol abuse is more evil than pot but also I don't want to pick between a lesser of two evils.



Originally Posted by KeithC
I've never used marijuana. I believe around half of Americans have used marijuana. I don't feel strongly either way about legalization. I suspect marijuana will be legalized.

I think marijuana has some positive uses, but mostly makes people lazy, less motivated and less productive, but that's mostly their problem, not anyone else's.

Keith


There is a reason they call it "dope", and its not because ot makes you smart.

It's infuriating than taking the time to explain something to someone and looking at their eyes to see the glazed over almost blank stare of them trying to hide that they are stoned.

I used to smoke but since quitting, a little over a decade ago, I've become against its use and legalization.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Windstalker] #8453849
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Originally Posted by Windstalker

Someone made the conscious decision to take the drug that may or may not kill them. Who is forcing someone to shoot up and OD? It was their own choice. Addictions start with a choice in the beginning, no excuses. So legalizing cocaine will make us a more free and civil society, got it.

Guns kill people every day too, because someone made a decision to use them in that manner. Should we make them illegal? That is the individuals poor choice and irresponsibility. More people are killed by cars.

Alcohol kills people daily. Because someone made the decision to be irresponsible. Should we make alcohol illegal? I think so but most people don't. So let's make punishments extremely harsh and punitive to encourage responsibility, agree? No lawyer and no three strikes. First time enforcement.

Please explain the differences. It’s two sides of the same tree. People make bad decisions and act irresponsibly every day with all sorts of things. Does that mean they should ruin it for those that make good decisions and act responsibly? Why does big brother get to decide what is and what is not acceptable?


So you are willing to allow someone to make those decisions at your or my peril in the name of freedom?

There are limits for a civil society. We are not becoming more civil by allowing more free intoxication.

Now if there were extremely harsh penalties, ok. Example, if you kill my daughter in a vehicle accident running from satan because you are high enough to think that, then your daughter is to be given the death penalty, not you.

Responsibilities, right?


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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: Pike River] #8453851
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Wait....did I really just see someone argue that people shouldn't be be allowed to have legal representation? Yikes

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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: bowhunter27295] #8453852
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Yes sir
I'd be curious in the states that have legalize it if it's been a good thing for society or a negative



Here is what I found for some stats.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8672945/

All these

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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: loosegoose] #8453858
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Wait....did I really just see someone argue that people shouldn't be be allowed to have legal representation? Yikes


Harsh choices require immense responsibility. And never forget, you will probably be paying for the piece of craps public defender. And when that happens they delay and delay for more money while you pay for their incarceration, medical and dental care.


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Anyone who thinks increase drug use doesn't affect anyone but the user should probably not ever complain about society problems that abundance drug abuse brings with it. Legalizing will make it's use more accepted and will increase the users and usage.

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So legalize them all?


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Re: Marijuana Change [Re: bowhunter27295] #8453874
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So legalize them all?

Well, the alternative is to legislate what people can and can't put in their own bodies.

If you support drug criminalization, then you support the govt telling people what they can't put into their own bodies, and I ain't about that sort of tyranny. Simple as that.

Freedom is messy.

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Then are you for the harsh penalties I suggest? If a person decides to put something in their body that endangers me or my family, penalties should be more dangerous.

Or is the freedom to get stoned more important?


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And speaking of tyranny.

Will guns keep us from tyranny or allow it's fruition?

Same question for drugs.


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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Then are you for the harsh penalties I suggest? If a person decides to put something in their body that endangers me or my family, penalties should be more dangerous.

Or is the freedom to get stoned more important?

Well of course I'm for punishment of crime against other people. If someone hurts you or your family either intentionally or through negligence, then they should be punished. The simple act of using, selling, purchasing a plant or chemical doesn't harm anyone though. (Unless you're the tax man and don't get your cut, of course).

But I'm also in support of legal representation and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
And speaking of tyranny.

Will guns keep us from tyranny or allow it's fruition?

Same question for drugs.

The criminalization of either is tyranny.

The criminalization of guns is tyranny because it prevents one from being able to defend oneself against violence.

The criminalization of drugs is tyranny because it is govt control over another person's bodily autonomy.

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