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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Trap Setter] #8454451
08/14/25 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Originally Posted by gcs
Legalize everything and outlaw Narcan, let nature take it's course...!


Easy to say but wait till a child or grandchild gets their hands on the medicine cabinet.

Everyone should keep narcan at home. Things can so south fast and its free at most courthouses. (At least it is around here.)

And yes the idea of legal drugs for recreational use is dumb.

I've mentioned on here before that I have a Narcan kit as I have been trained in it's use as a firefighter. When I took the training for the kit , the instructor told us that accidental overdoses happens more than you think. I also learned that Narcan works on dogs. Dogs may find someone's drugs , we all know , some dogs eat dang near anything including scat. Police dogs have overdosed just by searching a room and accidentally got too close and sniffed up drugs.

However , giving Narcan to an abuser again and again......sooner or later they will OD with no one around with Narcan.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454462
08/14/25 10:00 PM
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Would legalization increase the availability of these drugs? If so, I say no.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454472
08/14/25 10:28 PM
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For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Blaine County] #8454474
08/14/25 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.



Don't say that out loud. There be Baptists amongst us.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454478
08/14/25 10:34 PM
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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454485
08/14/25 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.



This. the war on drugs congratulations to drugs for winning
Definition of insanity doint the same thing over and over but expecting different results..

Boot lickers, and those taht think the government is here to help or responsible for the people are going to want to be governed harder and give up more freedoms. It's for the greater good and public safty after all.

They are even ok with the controls in the name of other things like food safty. Smiths the words to given and then2nd and all of a sudden it's about rights and freedom to them.

Sad part is they can't see the hypocrisy.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454498
08/14/25 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.

For most drugs, withdrawals aren't life-threatening. They can be nasty and unpleasant and make it difficult to quit, but not life-threatening.

But for alcohol, withdrawals are life-threatening.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454512
08/15/25 12:08 AM
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No bowhunter I mean what I said those are the type that love a boot on their neck and others to be responsible for their action.

Swap the words about guns and they will be from my cold dead hands. Talk about drugs and it's necessary for public safety the greater good and they support loss of freedom.

Personally I think it's ashamed narcan is not a once in a lifetime opportunity. Like It will save you once but twice will kill you. I figure anyone can mess up or get something they didn't know had it in there once. But on demand is just enabling the druggie.

They are a high cost to society and bring zero benefit. No since in working about keeping them from killing themselves.

And it's not about what this drug or that drug does or doesn't do. I don't care about that. It's about personally responsibility, freedom, and something it appears a lot never learned action and consequences.

Again any of my guns have the potential to be good or bad or neutral in action. It's the person making the choice on what to do with them. But better add more restrictions to keep people safe right?


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454528
08/15/25 04:05 AM
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Hard for me to understand why anyone would take the stuff except for pain. I was on a morphine drip for 10 days and I am sure fentanyl during surgery. Just made me sleepy and constipated. Where is this high I hear so much about? Used to take painkillers to work, same thing no high.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454532
08/15/25 04:18 AM
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No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8454536
08/15/25 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.



No way guns should be so easy to get. Just one AR will Kill and people killed may not even know what killed them.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454540
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.



No way guns should be so easy to get. Just one AR will Kill and people killed may not even know what killed them.


I’ll explain the difference. A bullet has to be forced into your skin, fentanyl can be absorbed through. I can walk into a crowded stadium with a balloon and a teaspoon of fentanyl. Go to the restroom and fill the ballon with tap water, mix the fentanyl in it and return to my seat. Wait for the crowd to stand for that home run and give it a toss.

Your turn, how are you getting the AR in the entrance?


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454541
08/15/25 05:34 AM
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Next time you see some EMTs out at a diner or wherever ask them what is one of the more popular reasons they are called out. If you are in the ER, ask them what is a more popular reason for admission.


What does OD have to do with my post bowhunter??????????? Except prove that the war on drugs aint working.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454545
08/15/25 05:43 AM
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Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

Every year I get through metal dectors at the stat fair with both knife and gun but am not going to post how.

something else you clearly miss with your what if ignorant hypothetical. Why would anyone need to get inside when they can open up on the heard lined up and packed elbo to elbo at the gate to get in or leaving. Add a lot of people would be hurt and killed being trampled not all shot
Should probably ban knifes and trucks as well.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454546
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Didn't Oregon make all drugs legal? I wonder why they suspended such a grand example of "freedom"?

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: J Staton] #8454547
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Didn't Oregon make all drugs legal? I wonder why they suspended such a grand example of "freedom"?



Not much in personal responsibility in that state.

Probably ruffle some feathers with some members loosing family members and having living family members with drug problems. They made the choice stinks but they alone are responsible for that choice

Let's flip this around for all you freedom hating government protect me individuals. Is the war on drugs doing any good and what has it accomplished?

I will start. Created black market just like it created the mob. Militarization of the police, asset forfeit laws, filling up prisons with non violent offenders creating over crowding and letting violent criminals out early due to crowding. I will stop there for now.

Drug war has failed how many decades and it's worse than ever. I'm sure.more laws or stolen tax money for more education programs will help.





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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454550
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PF just pointing out how legalization of all drugs was/is a complete failure. The cost associated with "freedom" likely matches the cost of the war on drugs in both money and destroyed lives.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454551
08/15/25 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

Every year I get through metal dectors at the stat fair with both knife and gun but am not going to post how.

something else you clearly miss with your what if ignorant hypothetical. Why would anyone need to get inside when they can open up on the heard lined up and packed elbo to elbo at the gate to get in or leaving. Add a lot of people would be hurt and killed being trampled not all shot
Should probably ban knifes and trucks as well.


Okay. lol


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454554
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portland or, gay bay, philly, had thousands and thousands of immigrant dope fiends . increase in people using dope who already lived there did not happen


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454556
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Danny they are all stuck in the mind set daddy government is here to help and protect me. Drugs cause the problems. Not the people cause the problem.

They are glad to give up freedoms as long as it's in line with their beliefs. Can't come up with any solution that will work and can't admit everything tried has been a failure.

Unfortunately drugs won't just go away and people are dumb enough to use them. Best answer they have is double down on what's not worked over the last several decades.

How about let them all kill themselves with an od Self solving solution. Or maybe Handel them like in the Philippines. O but that would be to harsh .

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