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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454410
08/14/25 08:48 PM
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Money corrupt everyone’s and everything over time.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: gcs] #8454440
08/14/25 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gcs
Legalize everything and outlaw Narcan, let nature take it's course...!


Easy to say but wait till a child or grandchild gets their hands on the medicine cabinet.

Everyone should keep narcan at home. Things can so south fast and its free at most courthouses. (At least it is around here.)

And yes the idea of legal drugs for recreational use is dumb.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Trap Setter] #8454451
08/14/25 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Originally Posted by gcs
Legalize everything and outlaw Narcan, let nature take it's course...!


Easy to say but wait till a child or grandchild gets their hands on the medicine cabinet.

Everyone should keep narcan at home. Things can so south fast and its free at most courthouses. (At least it is around here.)

And yes the idea of legal drugs for recreational use is dumb.

I've mentioned on here before that I have a Narcan kit as I have been trained in it's use as a firefighter. When I took the training for the kit , the instructor told us that accidental overdoses happens more than you think. I also learned that Narcan works on dogs. Dogs may find someone's drugs , we all know , some dogs eat dang near anything including scat. Police dogs have overdosed just by searching a room and accidentally got too close and sniffed up drugs.

However , giving Narcan to an abuser again and again......sooner or later they will OD with no one around with Narcan.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454462
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Would legalization increase the availability of these drugs? If so, I say no.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454472
08/14/25 10:28 PM
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For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Blaine County] #8454474
08/14/25 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.



Don't say that out loud. There be Baptists amongst us.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454478
08/14/25 10:34 PM
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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454485
08/14/25 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.



This. the war on drugs congratulations to drugs for winning
Definition of insanity doint the same thing over and over but expecting different results..

Boot lickers, and those taht think the government is here to help or responsible for the people are going to want to be governed harder and give up more freedoms. It's for the greater good and public safty after all.

They are even ok with the controls in the name of other things like food safty. Smiths the words to given and then2nd and all of a sudden it's about rights and freedom to them.

Sad part is they can't see the hypocrisy.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454498
08/14/25 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.

For most drugs, withdrawals aren't life-threatening. They can be nasty and unpleasant and make it difficult to quit, but not life-threatening.

But for alcohol, withdrawals are life-threatening.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: loosegoose] #8454500
08/14/25 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Sounds like most of you only want it legalized to kill off the deadbeats and dregs of society. This tells me the most of you want/desire a safe and orderly society that is free of addicts and weaker willed undisciplined people. The most of you want people who are responsible.

I get the survival of the fittest thing but there will be a wake of destruction that may touch your family. Is this what a wise society would do? More people will try it if it is legal. More family members will get addicted and worse.

I just can’t make the math work in my head.



Is the illegality of heroin the only thing holding you personally back from shooting up?

For me personally, it's the whole not wanting to be dead thing that's stopping me. The illegality is irrelevant.




Noted. Thanks for your input.


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454506
08/14/25 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.


Next time you see some EMTs out at a diner or wherever ask them what is one of the more popular reasons they are called out. If you are in the ER, ask them what is a more popular reason for admission.

When I was last in the ER with my mother who had OD'd on oxy, three other rooms were filled with people brought in too high to function and thinking they were gonna die. One dude actually used the ER as a detox. Literally sobered up, put on his clothes and walked out. One dude was high on something he took at the race track that weekend. And the other lady was on an OD like my mother. That was FOUR ER rooms with an OD patient. In the little town of North Wilkesboro.

Two of my close buddies from high school are EMTs and they are disgusted by how many OD patients they pick up. One one them actually said people just don't know how many people die from drug OD. Said they refill with narcan everyday.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454508
08/14/25 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by danny clifton
From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.



This. the war on drugs congratulations to drugs for winning
Definition of insanity doint the same thing over and over but expecting different results..

Boot lickers, and those taht think the government is here to help or responsible for the people are going to want to be governed harder and give up more freedoms. It's for the greater good and public safty after all.

They are even ok with the controls in the name of other things like food safty. Smiths the words to given and then2nd and all of a sudden it's about rights and freedom to them.

Sad part is they can't see the hypocrisy.


So someone who doesn't think it is a good idea to legalize fentanyl is a boot licker?

Seriously?

You do realize that Fentanyl is 50-100X more powerful than morphine, right?

"Fentanyl and morphine are both generic prescription drugs used to treat severe pain. They are potent pain relievers that belong to a class of medications called opioids, or opioid analgesics. Opioids work by activating brain receptors that block pain signals. Although fentanyl and morphine have similar mechanisms of action, they also have key differences, such as fentanyl acting more quickly and being around 100 times stronger than morphine."


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454512
08/15/25 12:08 AM
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No bowhunter I mean what I said those are the type that love a boot on their neck and others to be responsible for their action.

Swap the words about guns and they will be from my cold dead hands. Talk about drugs and it's necessary for public safety the greater good and they support loss of freedom.

Personally I think it's ashamed narcan is not a once in a lifetime opportunity. Like It will save you once but twice will kill you. I figure anyone can mess up or get something they didn't know had it in there once. But on demand is just enabling the druggie.

They are a high cost to society and bring zero benefit. No since in working about keeping them from killing themselves.

And it's not about what this drug or that drug does or doesn't do. I don't care about that. It's about personally responsibility, freedom, and something it appears a lot never learned action and consequences.

Again any of my guns have the potential to be good or bad or neutral in action. It's the person making the choice on what to do with them. But better add more restrictions to keep people safe right?


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454528
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Hard for me to understand why anyone would take the stuff except for pain. I was on a morphine drip for 10 days and I am sure fentanyl during surgery. Just made me sleepy and constipated. Where is this high I hear so much about? Used to take painkillers to work, same thing no high.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454532
08/15/25 04:18 AM
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No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8454536
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.



No way guns should be so easy to get. Just one AR will Kill and people killed may not even know what killed them.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454540
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.



No way guns should be so easy to get. Just one AR will Kill and people killed may not even know what killed them.


I’ll explain the difference. A bullet has to be forced into your skin, fentanyl can be absorbed through. I can walk into a crowded stadium with a balloon and a teaspoon of fentanyl. Go to the restroom and fill the ballon with tap water, mix the fentanyl in it and return to my seat. Wait for the crowd to stand for that home run and give it a toss.

Your turn, how are you getting the AR in the entrance?


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454541
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Next time you see some EMTs out at a diner or wherever ask them what is one of the more popular reasons they are called out. If you are in the ER, ask them what is a more popular reason for admission.


What does OD have to do with my post bowhunter??????????? Except prove that the war on drugs aint working.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454545
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Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

Every year I get through metal dectors at the stat fair with both knife and gun but am not going to post how.

something else you clearly miss with your what if ignorant hypothetical. Why would anyone need to get inside when they can open up on the heard lined up and packed elbo to elbo at the gate to get in or leaving. Add a lot of people would be hurt and killed being trampled not all shot
Should probably ban knifes and trucks as well.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454546
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Didn't Oregon make all drugs legal? I wonder why they suspended such a grand example of "freedom"?

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