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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454559
08/15/25 06:29 AM
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War on drugs in the PI is working. China too. The same war on drugs advocates here in the U.S. cry loudly that its too harsh. I believe its going to remain a big problem here. Been several good ideas IMO posted. Starting with end welfare. Thats too harsh also for the war on drugs advocates.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454594
08/15/25 07:54 AM
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Over 13,000 people died in 2024 because of drunk driving.

We have laws against drunk driving.

Are we going to outlaw booze, or what?

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #8454597
08/15/25 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted by Blaine County
For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.



Don't say that out loud. There be Baptists amongst us.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Blaine County] #8454598
08/15/25 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Over 13,000 people died in 2024 because of drunk driving.

We have laws against drunk driving.

Are we going to outlaw booze, or what?

It's been done...wasn't successful...


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454622
08/15/25 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
War on drugs in the PI is working. China too. The same war on drugs advocates here in the U.S. cry loudly that its too harsh. I believe its going to remain a big problem here. Been several good ideas IMO posted. Starting with end welfare. Thats too harsh also for the war on drugs advocates.

Main problem with the war on drugs is that it never went after the source. When we controlled Afghanistan, we could of easily roundup-ed the opium poppy fields there that were the main source of the taliban's income. Why were they not destroyed?

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8454629
08/15/25 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by danny clifton
War on drugs in the PI is working. China too. The same war on drugs advocates here in the U.S. cry loudly that its too harsh. I believe its going to remain a big problem here. Been several good ideas IMO posted. Starting with end welfare. Thats too harsh also for the war on drugs advocates.

Main problem with the war on drugs is that it never went after the source. When we controlled Afghanistan, we could of easily roundup-ed the opium poppy fields there that were the main source of the taliban's income. Why were they not destroyed?


At the time 80% of the world's opiun was grown in Afghanistan. We controlled the country for about 10 years and never even slowed it down. Amazing isn't it. It's almost like The drugs are ran by the government or at least they don't want them stopped. But that doesn't make since now.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8454633
08/15/25 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper


I’ll explain the difference. A bullet has to be forced into your skin, fentanyl can be absorbed through. I can walk into a crowded stadium with a balloon and a teaspoon of fentanyl. Go to the restroom and fill the ballon with tap water, mix the fentanyl in it and return to my seat. Wait for the crowd to stand for that home run and give it a toss.

Your turn, how are you getting the AR in the entrance?


My good sir, are you saying gun free zones work?

Maybe we could out up a "fentanyl free zone" too, and that would stop you from bringing in the fentanyl filled balloon .

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454635
08/15/25 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

I'm a radical federalist. Leave it up to the individual states, where the citizens can vote on their own drug policy. Everybody gets a say in the vote: those who want to get high, but also those who would have to deal with the fallout that widespread drug addiction causes to society. Everybody has the chance to weigh the tradeoffs and cast their vote. And if your state didn't vote the way you like, you're free to move to another that did.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454638
08/15/25 09:50 AM
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They keep trying to make an argument that taking deadly drugs can be an intelligent responsible action it don’t get any dumber then that! crazy If its your wish, right or however you will try to sell the idea it’s just a poor choice.

So do you folks use in front of your kids/ family so no reason to hide from friends, family and coworkers then. It’s something to be proud and shared with your circle of friends?


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454654
08/15/25 10:16 AM
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People bring up booze and say it see what happened with control of it, right it didn’t work lol
So what makes you daylight wanna be users think that having worse is going to be easier to control ?

Just because some scream we are not free to do what we want or use what we desire , does not mean
You lost any thing , it means humans cant control them selves with certain elements, saying other wise just shows you are partly responsible for others using and have already lost control of their reactions to using !


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: GritGuy] #8454660
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
They keep trying to make an argument that taking deadly drugs can be an intelligent responsible action it don’t get any dumber then that! crazy If its your wish, right or however you will try to sell the idea it’s just a poor choice.

So do you folks use in front of your kids/ family so no reason to hide from friends, family and coworkers then. It’s something to be proud and shared with your circle of friends?



Originally Posted by GritGuy
People bring up booze and say it see what happened with control of it, right it didn’t work lol
So what makes you daylight wanna be users think that having worse is going to be easier to control ?

Just because some scream we are not free to do what we want or use what we desire , does not mean
You lost any thing , it means humans cant control them selves with certain elements, saying other wise just shows you are partly responsible for others using and have already lost control of their reactions to using !


Nobody here has said they're gonna start using hard drugs or that doing so is a good idea. You're both completely misunderstanding what's being argued here.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454682
08/15/25 11:38 AM
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They understand just fine. Just don't like differing opinions.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454683
08/15/25 11:40 AM
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My opinion is that dope is so easy to get that anyone who wants it is already using.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454688
08/15/25 11:59 AM
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Oh I understand just as well as those trying to squeeze out more drug free laws here ! it's exactly the same with them, they ignore

the obvious health concern for everyone when drugs are freely used with not so much as a look see at ones prior history of use, not that it matters, they ignore the fact that hospitals and others using them know exactly how serious using these drugs can be with a wipe of their hands that there is already to much restraint on them !!

Seems both sides disagree with the opinion of each others, one is for free use the other is for continued restraint and medical use, since when has it been a problem for a differing opinion on such a tough topic ? Part of having a free country is hashing out different opinions, most other countries don't have this choice, I'm happy we do and could cares less if others don't care or like it, but I don't condone them for expressing theirs either !

When history shows that these drugs and others has already proven the loss of life and problems caused by people trying to use these drugs for party time, that always turns into addiction and loss of control of using them, and say no restraint it should be a free choice, yet still ignore the fact of danger these cause, show they are not educated as much as they feel or seem they are, and probably have not had to deal with an addict in any situation as well, and if they have and still ignore that fact, what do they say to the kids when they will come up and ask for funds for another hit ??


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454689
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I vote no. I get kinda annoyed at the doctors perspective. I had bad shingles pain and took some left over oxy I had for cancer pain
Nobody cares. I told the nurse I was taking an herb...ashwagandha, and she says no, quit that, it might interfere with your treatments. I politely indicated that I wasn't going to comply.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454690
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
My opinion is that dope is so easy to get that anyone who wants it is already using.

Yup. I’m sure you could get whatever you want without leaving Williamsburg.
I don’t think the feds have ever really tried to, or want to end the war on drugs. Too much money involved.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454691
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I suppose handing out razor blades at the nervous hospital would solve a bunch of mental health issues and save the taxpayers money.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: J Staton] #8454698
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Originally Posted by J Staton
PF just pointing out how legalization of all drugs was/is a complete failure. The cost associated with "freedom" likely matches the cost of the war on drugs in both money and destroyed lives.



Well they don't prosecute very many crimes there. So No risk if you steal or rob someone to get money for your fix.

They encourage crime, riots ect. not much of a comparison if it were say a state like Florida where they would/ could be killed for the robbery. In Florida the sheriff will pat the victim of a robbery on the back after shooting. in Oregon The victim would be arrested.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454701
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If you want drugs you have them and can get anything you want at any time . Being illegal does nothing to reduce drug use. People are responsible for their choices not the government. And no one can name a single success or positive result from decades on the war on drugs. That says it all .

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454707
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If you want drugs you have them and can get anything you want at any time . Being illegal does nothing to reduce drug use. People are responsible for their choices not the government. And no one can name a single success or positive result from decades on the war on drugs. That says it all .


I know more than a few recovered drug addicts, most recovered after being sent to jail/prison or court mandated rehab. If it was not illegal the court would have no say amd most of those people would have continued to spiral.

In my mind that is a positive result and a success. You won't probably agree but thats ok.


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