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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: danny clifton] #8454690
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
My opinion is that dope is so easy to get that anyone who wants it is already using.

Yup. I’m sure you could get whatever you want without leaving Williamsburg.
I don’t think the feds have ever really tried to, or want to end the war on drugs. Too much money involved.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454691
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I suppose handing out razor blades at the nervous hospital would solve a bunch of mental health issues and save the taxpayers money.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: J Staton] #8454698
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Originally Posted by J Staton
PF just pointing out how legalization of all drugs was/is a complete failure. The cost associated with "freedom" likely matches the cost of the war on drugs in both money and destroyed lives.



Well they don't prosecute very many crimes there. So No risk if you steal or rob someone to get money for your fix.

They encourage crime, riots ect. not much of a comparison if it were say a state like Florida where they would/ could be killed for the robbery. In Florida the sheriff will pat the victim of a robbery on the back after shooting. in Oregon The victim would be arrested.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454701
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If you want drugs you have them and can get anything you want at any time . Being illegal does nothing to reduce drug use. People are responsible for their choices not the government. And no one can name a single success or positive result from decades on the war on drugs. That says it all .

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Providence Farm] #8454707
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If you want drugs you have them and can get anything you want at any time . Being illegal does nothing to reduce drug use. People are responsible for their choices not the government. And no one can name a single success or positive result from decades on the war on drugs. That says it all .


I know more than a few recovered drug addicts, most recovered after being sent to jail/prison or court mandated rehab. If it was not illegal the court would have no say amd most of those people would have continued to spiral.

In my mind that is a positive result and a success. You won't probably agree but thats ok.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454713
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PF So just because you feel there is no success on keeping drugs away from the public, makes you feel that releasing them is going to be better ??


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454714
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The crux of all addiction, human beings love pleasure....Sex releases drugs from within the body. (Dopamine, endorphins, etc.)...So does food.

Show me a person who says they aren't addicted to anything, and I'll show you a liar....How you handle that defines your situation, and fate.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: GritGuy] #8454716
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That depends on what you are asking i think will be better. Do I think drug use will go down better? That answer is no, I don't think it will make use go down. I don't think it will shoot up either. It may appear to go up due to it comming out in the open more so more visibility vs hiding it.


Do I think it will be better not having asset forfeiture laws excuses to be in existence,.not having over crowded prison for victomless crimes. And on and on. yes I think it will be better for that.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #8454718
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
The crux of all addiction, human beings love pleasure....Sex releases drugs from within the body. (Dopamine, endorphins, etc.)...So does food.

Show me a person who says they aren't addicted to anything, and I'll show you a liar....How you handle that defines your situation, and fate.


I have things I like and enjoy sex being one, hunting another, some would say im addicted to work and that would be possibly the closest thing I have an addiction to.
But enjoyment does not =addiction. Addiction is a have to have it willing to do stupid things to get it. There is not a think i can think of im willing to harm myself or family to get. And the working a lot is to get to where I don't have to work as much or as far away. Addicts don't do drugs so they can quit doing drugs.

I think you are conflating addiction and obsessions some what.

Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454720
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Hey PF, the glaring first sign of addiction is denial grin Lol...But I hear you brother....Carry on.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454757
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PF you are a great dodge of questions LOL

How can drug free drug use thats addicting not go higher if there is access to unlimited supply of it, whether it's been hidden or not? The case is it's addicting and will cause more problems in the short and long run, this is actually a fact now with controlled use, why wouldn't it go up with open use. Do you believe there is some sort of correlation between hidden use and open use that would slow or stop addiction. I don't see any change other than more addicts having more access to something thats causing everyone problems, such as more addiction, more family troubles, more theft for quick cash to get more, unless you equate more differently than most people do, LOL

I don't know what your not wanting asset forfeiture and victim less crime detention has to do with this, other than both come from being addicted to drugs as well, as a preventive measure to have the addict get off drugs, what is your suggestion to curtail addict's from going back on after a stint in jail ? Slap their face a couple times, or make them go to clinics for staying clean which works maybe 1 out of 8 times ?

Do you feel there should be no result of crimes done by addicts to get funds for more drugs now, or even stealing and selling stolen things for the addiction to have more ? What about when addicts are so wiped out they cause death's to others from their actions same as drinking has done, because it's now regular access does this eliminate cause and affect from the user on some one else ?

This is a very slippery slope to move into, as everyone has seen it with alcohol, not the beer out there however in some cases as well, and it being regulated still in some states and it can't be done to how easy it is to access, at least hard drugs have a more difficult way of access, even though as been mentioned its easy to get, might be in some areas others not so much, however the bottom line is the misuse of drugs that are mind changing and cause people to abstractly be cornered on the source for their needs !


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454779
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Fentanyl use = FREEDOM!!!

What a great libertarian campaign slogan!!!


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454788
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Fentanyl use = FREEDOM!!!

What a great libertarian campaign slogan!!!

Close.

Getting to choose what you put into your own body, and getting to choose what you don't have to put into your own body=freedom.


Maybe "the government decides what goes into your body, not you!" Could be the next Republican campaign slogan.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454793
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Loosegoose, a person has that option now. Legal or not a person still has the ability to choose what goes into his/her body. All your bunch is advocating is making it easier to choose. The end result of heavy drug use is the same.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Loosegoose, a person has that option now. Legal or not a person still has the ability to choose what goes into his/her body. All your bunch is advocating is making it easier to choose. The end result of heavy drug use is the same.

That's like saying a person can choose to chop their AR barrel down to 12" and put in a homemade lightning link now.

Actually, I'd like to make that easier, too. But the folks that oppose that use the same arguments that the drug criminalization folks use.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: loosegoose] #8454843
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by J Staton
Loosegoose, a person has that option now. Legal or not a person still has the ability to choose what goes into his/her body. All your bunch is advocating is making it easier to choose. The end result of heavy drug use is the same.

That's like saying a person can choose to chop their AR barrel down to 12" and put in a homemade lightning link now.

Actually, I'd like to make that easier, too. But the folks that oppose that use the same arguments that the drug criminalization folks use.


The gun/drug comparison is a disgusting straw man and weakens your argument to the point of ridicule.

A person owning a gun/using a gun does not change their brain chemistry and is not a psychotropic.

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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: Trap Setter] #8454871
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter

The gun/drug comparison is a disgusting straw man and weakens your argument to the point of ridicule.

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This was my entire point in creating this thread. Mission accomplished.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: bowhunter27295] #8454873
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Citizens need guns to protect from government tyranny. Firearms benefit our society.

Citizens do not need drugs and drugs actually perpetuate tyranny. I know of no society that benefits from drugs or alcohol. Maybe tax revenue, but overall it is a pox on any society.


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Re: Let’s legalize fentanyl and morphine [Re: GritGuy] #8454879
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
PF you are a great dodge of questions LOL

How can drug free drug use thats addicting not go higher if there is access to unlimited supply of it, whether it's been hidden or not? The case is it's addicting and will cause more problems in the short and long run, this is actually a fact now with controlled use, why wouldn't it go up with open use. Do you believe there is some sort of correlation between hidden use and open use that would slow or stop addiction. I don't see any change other than more addicts having more access to something thats causing everyone problems, such as more addiction, more family troubles, more theft for quick cash to get more, unless you equate more differently than most people do, LOL

I don't know what your not wanting asset forfeiture and victim less crime detention has to do with this, other than both come from being addicted to drugs as well, as a preventive measure to have the addict get off drugs, what is your suggestion to curtail addict's from going back on after a stint in jail ? Slap their face a couple times, or make them go to clinics for staying clean which works maybe 1 out of 8 times ?

Do you feel there should be no result of crimes done by addicts to get funds for more drugs now, or even stealing and selling stolen things for the addiction to have more ? What about when addicts are so wiped out they cause death's to others from their actions same as drinking has done, because it's now regular access does this eliminate cause and affect from the user on some one else ?

This is a very slippery slope to move into, as everyone has seen it with alcohol, not the beer out there however in some cases as well, and it being regulated still in some states and it can't be done to how easy it is to access, at least hard drugs have a more difficult way of access, even though as been mentioned its easy to get, might be in some areas others not so much, however the bottom line is the misuse of drugs that are mind changing and cause people to abstractly be cornered on the source for their needs !



Your lack of comprehension is not dodging questions. Honestly your own statement show you don't have an ability to extrapolate.
If they can already get anything and all they want now and the laws are not functioning to stop or slow drugs use. then the same limiting factors will be in play if it's not illegal.

it's not availability or eas of access. we have already established that's a non issue. The limiting factor is money.

Drug users are going to use regardless they can only afford limited amounts. Making it legal is not going to make non drug users run out and become users

Trap set the gun example is spot on. It clearly proves the point but in a clear way that laws don't stop behavior and and an objective is neither good or bad it's how it's used that determines that.

But But but drugs change brain chemistry and . Bullets remove brain tissues. both can kill

Has nothing to do with pointing out laws don't stop crime. Criminals still get guns and use guns to comit crimes. l breaking several laws. but if we just add one more law and restrictions murders will.stop.. Same exact concept with drugs. Laws have not and will not stop people using drugs. clearly prover the last how many decades?

But keep doubling down on failed position and policies. Proves it's not just democrats that do this.



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