PF, I don't need to extrapolate anything, the reading the life is all I need, and what makes you think that others are not waiting to try drugs if they are legal, you have a crystal ball to look into !


We never established they are easy to get, that was your sense of idea, if that was the case they would be every where and there would not be such a fuss about trying to catch them before got !

You might know where to go after them, I don't have any idea where to start and plan on keeping it that way !

Laws do stop behavior, thats a proven point, Drugs make people crazy and more emboldened to attempt to have them at any cost once addicted to them ! There are laws about running people over with vehicles, you don't see people out doing that for fun and games, talk about extrapolating !!

We will just have to disagree about just letting drugs be turned loose, drugs are much more dangerous in untrained hands and use, than most many other things, though I guess you reply would be , well that would not be so if every one could just get them!!

Well, drug deaths dropped 75% after decriminalization.

As far as how they gather their statistics, police are still involved. It's just not an "administrative crime", whatever that means over there. The equivalent of a parking ticket. (Except, unlike a parking ticket, there's usually no penalty at all).

Double down on failed policy, no alternative solution to present, Want even more money and more laws to support said failed policy. BOWHUNTER you really sound familiar for some reason.

Bowhunter, what is your solution? Or are you happy to just keep doing the same thing we've been doing, as far as the war on drugs? Would you like more enforcement? Different enforcement?

I don't think you've proposed what you'd like to see, maybe you did and I missed it.

I don't see that in the article you posted, at least explicitly. When I clicked the link for total accidental overdoses, though, I saw this:

"The total number of deaths throughout Spain due to this cause amounted to 1,070 that year, which represents an increase over previous years."

Seems to be going in the wrong direction now?

Drugs are absolutely everywhere and easy to find and get ahold of. May have to dig a bit more in Utah but i supect not. If you have never been around it you dont recognize it when its right in front of you bThey still find their way into inmates in prison for crying out loud.
I worked in construction for years drugs rampant there. Any bar you go in just need to ask around to find a supplier ot talk on a construction sight.. I have dealt with family that were addict's as well. I have 3 sisters and a brother that were in foster care mom adopted that parents were and still are addict's and criminals. The country will be better off when their parents are dead. Harsh well daddy is not only an addict and thief but also raped his daughters he had that are a few years older than my sisters. we're when we got them. It very likely he got the older 2 of my sisters as well but they were 2 and 3 and 3 months when we got them so was never proven. My brother was born and taken away at birth with drugs in his system. The youngest two are 10 months apart in age. 30 years later daddy is still in and out of jail/prison. dope head mom as well. Last I hear mom was home and staying in one of my sisters detached grage at least untill she stole my sister car one night probably for a drug run. So ya society is better off without some people.

So family, on the job, And living in society I think I have a good grasp of the effects of drug use in society. I can also see what decades of the war on drugs has and has not accomplished.

Anyone have stats on Amstersterdam? I'm too lazy to look.

I already have you must have missed it or blew it off becuse its all negative and grabs more money and control for the government.. Creates a 2nd class group of citizens as well..

Has it accomplished anything, bowhunter? Illegal drug usage seems worse now than it has ever been.

I agree 100% for medical use. Fentanyl was one of the drugs they used during my atrial ablation.

After surgery I was in terrible pain. A nurse finally gave me a morphine shot. It did nothing. A short while later I got second shot. Nothing. Then the hospital rolled a drip machine into my room. I was suppose to get relief by pressing a button. Stayed awake all night looking at the monitor to see when I could get another “drip”. Not even the drip worked. Not any relief at all. None.

Later read that morphine does not work for about 4% of people.

I read there were approximately 178,000 alcohol related deaths in the US last year. Just an FYI for those wanting the government to save us--and I guess the addicts.

Anything goes, you betcha. Nobody but users will be hurt, right?

ya like my wife's aunt killed by a drunk.

I suspect all the users are all ready doing the same things they will do if it is made legal. I mean druggies are not typically know for smart decisions..

But that's different, because I like alcohol, so it's okay.

We have always had laws against killing people.

Be nice if there was a war on thieves. Thieves in jail aint stealing and adding to inflation. Get a lot of dope fiends that way too.

I see Kirk’s post on FB theres not much they won’t steal in Louisiana and take they it in the daytime everything from livestock to trailers even trailers with heavy equipment on them. You would think with all of the swamps and gators that problem would of been solved by now.

You would think some of these guys want you to believe they were featured on The Wire series. LMAO

Bowhunter, do you use a compound or crossbow?