I don't have enough information other than to say it is a constant cat and mouse game. I have watched shows on TV showing regular seizures of cocaine and fentanyl and other drugs and pot on our southern border. I have seen that some cartel now have submarines to transport being nearly impossible to track or find. I just hope we don't give up. That would be a travesty to our nation.

I hope we as a nation are trying to be more virtuous as that is what is needed.

Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.-Ben Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.”- James Madison

"I think with you, that nothing is of more importance for the public weal, than to form and train up youth in wisdom and virtue. Wise and good men are in my opinion, the strength of the state; more so than riches or arms....
"I think also, that general virtue is more probably to be expected and obtained from the education of youth, than from the exhortations of adult persons; bad habits and vices of the mind being, like diseases of the body, more easily prevented [in youth] than cured [in adults].- Ben Franklin

PF you like to talk about the founding fathers. Lots of people speak of "freedom". Some of you have spoken of immense responsibility and in the same breath think it is responsible to perpetuate the choice of hallucinogens and psycho drugs by making them freely legal and available.

Who in their right mind would think the founding fathers would risk their reputations as wise men by saying fentanyl should be readily available for anyone legally? Good grief!!

Well, you have stated you see what they haven't accomplished.

So, to try to be objective, tell what you see they have accomplished?

Y'all have fun. Will talk more tomorrow. Got a farmers market to attend tomorrow morning.

I already have you must have missed it or blew it off becuse its all negative and grabs more money and control for the government.. Creates a 2nd class group of citizens as well..

Has it accomplished anything, bowhunter? Illegal drug usage seems worse now than it has ever been.

I agree 100% for medical use. Fentanyl was one of the drugs they used during my atrial ablation.

After surgery I was in terrible pain. A nurse finally gave me a morphine shot. It did nothing. A short while later I got second shot. Nothing. Then the hospital rolled a drip machine into my room. I was suppose to get relief by pressing a button. Stayed awake all night looking at the monitor to see when I could get another “drip”. Not even the drip worked. Not any relief at all. None.

Later read that morphine does not work for about 4% of people.

I read there were approximately 178,000 alcohol related deaths in the US last year. Just an FYI for those wanting the government to save us--and I guess the addicts.

Anything goes, you betcha. Nobody but users will be hurt, right?

ya like my wife's aunt killed by a drunk.

I suspect all the users are all ready doing the same things they will do if it is made legal. I mean druggies are not typically know for smart decisions..

But that's different, because I like alcohol, so it's okay.

We have always had laws against killing people.

Be nice if there was a war on thieves. Thieves in jail aint stealing and adding to inflation. Get a lot of dope fiends that way too.

I see Kirk’s post on FB theres not much they won’t steal in Louisiana and take they it in the daytime everything from livestock to trailers even trailers with heavy equipment on them. You would think with all of the swamps and gators that problem would of been solved by now.

So the war on drugs has had zero positive effect? Is that what you're saying?

How's that working out?

I guess we should make murder and theft legal that way there will be less of it. LOL!!!

There have been laws on illegal drugs since I can remember.

PLEASE, LIBERTARIANS, KEEP TYPING!!!

You would think some of these guys want you to believe they were featured on The Wire series. LMAO

No Angela, it hasn't accomplished a single good thing in the entire time it has been in existence. Let's just quit fighting illegal drugs and make them ALL legal. That way less people will be doing drugs and we can say it's ok. Because if we quit, fentanyl, cocaine, heroin and crack will all be legal and GOVERNMENT REGULATED. I am quite sure there will be less people than ever using drugs.

But will there be zero people using drugs if ALL drugs are legal. Will less drug addicts be considered a success? Will having cocaine, crack and fentanyl dispensaries be something you want in your neighborhood/local town. It will be how it will be controlled and marketed.

I am sure there won't be any dope heads laying on the sidewalk or OD'd in the parking lot of these dispensaries.

I would be embarrassed for my country if we were dumb enough to do this.

Last I saw, all these European countries you freedom lovers are referencing still have cocaine, heroin, crack and fentanyl as illegal. We're not talking pot here. We are talking hardcore drugs that kill people with regularity.

Again, KEEP TYPING!!

Bowhunter, do you use a compound or crossbow?

I mean this is fascinating.

Watching grown men and women, supposedly educated, advocate for legality of hardcore drugs.

WOW!!