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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459867
08/26/25 06:41 PM
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How is Wisconsin DNR's white-tailed deer management program working out?


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Murphy] #8459887
08/26/25 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Murphy
How is Wisconsin DNR's white-tailed deer management program working out?

Don't know, but Ohio has too many deer now!
I've had an 8 deer limit at one time, looking like it's going to be higher soon.


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459890
08/26/25 09:02 PM
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There’s a few guys on here who could come help lower the deer population.

They stack deer like cord wood.




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: DelawareRob] #8459891
08/26/25 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
There’s a few guys on here who could come help lower the deer population.

They stack deer like cord wood.



Wish I could post a picture of a two day hunt in the back of a pickup.
8 guys hunting. 16 deer.


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459893
08/26/25 09:08 PM
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I have five doe tags for this season plus the one buck we're allowed with our hunting license. I'm hoping to fill all of them.


Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Lugnut] #8459930
08/26/25 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I have five doe tags for this season plus the one buck we're allowed with our hunting license. I'm hoping to fill all of them.



Heck yeah! I hope you do. Edit to add… so we stay on topic. I hope you kill all of them with a crossbow.



I am trying to fill at least 5 of my doe tags. Might shoot a buck if the right one steps out. I’ve got 4 buck tags between Delaware and Maryland and unlimited antlerless tags.


How did the new online system work for you getting PA doe tags? I know some folks weren’t looking forward to it.




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459960
08/27/25 12:04 AM
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cannibals and useful idiots

Written by John Wasmuth

The following is real, and it’s here.
Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this;
“Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.”
“Sure did Bob.”
“Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?”
“Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.”
“Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?”
“Yes, I sure am.”
“Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?”
“No, no I haven’t.”
“Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.”
“Well, that’s not the way I hunt.”
“I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.”
“Well, uh, I guess not.”
“Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?”
“Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.”
“Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.”
So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot], he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.

“Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?”
“Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?”
“Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there.

Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.
“Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.”
“Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.”
“But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.”
“Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.”
“But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.”
“[Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.”

You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”.

If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: DelawareRob] #8459975
08/27/25 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Originally Posted by Lugnut
I have five doe tags for this season plus the one buck we're allowed with our hunting license. I'm hoping to fill all of them.



Heck yeah! I hope you do. Edit to add… so we stay on topic. I hope you kill all of them with a crossbow.



I am trying to fill at least 5 of my doe tags. Might shoot a buck if the right one steps out. I’ve got 4 buck tags between Delaware and Maryland and unlimited antlerless tags.


How did the new online system work for you getting PA doe tags? I know some folks weren’t looking forward to it.


This is the third year we are able to buy doe licenses online. The first two years were a mess, very long wait times. The number of hunters applying at the same time slowed the system way down and nearly crashed it. And some folks didn't get tags for the management units they wanted. Those units sold out while they were waiting to get online.

This year the PGC changed it a bit. They guaranteed that every PA resident would get a doe license as long as they applied within the first three weeks after they went on sale. That was supposed to alleviate the first-day-of-sale crush and the resulting long wait times.

It did help somewhat. When I logged on at exactly 8:00 AM the day the sale began there were already 64,000 folks ahead of me. But that was better than the 150,000+ folks that were ahead of me the last two years. I logged out and went to work, I logged back on that evening and me and my granddaughter got ours with only a very short wait.





Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459976
08/27/25 06:58 AM
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The issue is really with the WMU's that tend to sell out quickly, mostly in the north-central part of the state. I always get mine from up there first. I used to get two up there every year but the last 5-6 years they have sold out before the second round of sales (you're only allowed one tag per round. I live in a special regulation area. We are overrun with deer and have a huge number of doe tags available to us. Some years they don't even sell all of them. So I wait until later rounds to buy those.


Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459979
08/27/25 07:17 AM
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I thought it was new, I guess it was the new guarantee for residents to get one. Yeah, I remember all the craziness the last couple years. Makes sense, PA has one or two deer hunters. lol and all of them rushed to get it when it opened.

Glad you were able to get the ones you wanted.

They all come down here to hunt anyway. We are over run with PA license plates in November. Of course we give you four antlerless tags with your license and you can buy as many as you want after that.




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460005
08/27/25 01:13 PM
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If they're legal in your state and you are alright with using one than who am I to judge. Kinda like not liking footholds. snares or conibears - some may agree on one method but not the others. Hunting fishing trapping community need to support each other. Not judge others for using a legal method. IMHO.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: ADKbound] #8460022
08/27/25 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Patrick
If they're legal in your state and you are alright with using one than who am I to judge. Kinda like not liking footholds. snares or conibears - some may agree on one method but not the others. Hunting fishing trapping community need to support each other. Not judge others for using a legal method. IMHO.

Exactly , well said


The bitterness of poor quality last a lot longer than the sweetness of low price
Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460025
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Agreed.




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: ] #8460038
08/27/25 04:42 PM
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Wish I could post a picture of a two day hunt in the back of a pickup.
8 guys hunting. 16 deer.[/quote]

… why can’t you post a picture?

[Linked Image]
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My computer crashed, thought I had them backed on my stick, but only a few were left.

Last edited by Ohio Wolverine; 08/27/25 04:44 PM.

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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: ADKbound] #8460087
08/27/25 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Patrick
If they're legal in your state and you are alright with using one than who am I to judge. Kinda like not liking footholds. snares or conibears - some may agree on one method but not the others. Hunting fishing trapping community need to support each other. Not judge others for using a legal method. IMHO.


I agree with this also. That said, I opposed them being allowed during archery season. I would have preferred them being included in firearms season, and adding late crossbow only season.

I lost, they are now included in archery season (even though they are not archery equipment!). Now that they are legal I don’t hold it against anyone for using them. And I always thought they should be allowed for disabled hunters who could not use archery equipment during archery season.

Now that the deal is done, I am not all upset, I have moved on and am glad to see hunters enjoying hunting. No need to let it divide us, we are all still hunters facing the same threats from those who want to upend an entire human history of harvesting animals for food and resources.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460088
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Every deer killed means one less to run into my truck. Kill them however you want!

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460189
08/28/25 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
My last post on this thread.... 13 pages and no one has countered my original argument that a crossbow is not archery equipment for the reasons stated. Not gonna argue with people that stoop so low as to attack my son because he had a laugh about you crazy xbow people. Keep looking through your scope and pulling your trigger. Just like the guys that cry about "trophy hunters" because they never had a decent buck in front of em. Everyone can see right through you. Bye!!!

We sure r going to miss you!!!

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460195
08/28/25 12:36 PM
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sigh, tired

You started this silliness, then get cranky when people disagree with YOUR opinion....which is what it is, not necessarily fact, lol
put some Preparation H on that butt hurt and move on.... smirk

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Mitch L] #8460200
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Originally Posted by Mitch L
Every deer killed means one less to run into my truck. Kill them however you want!


Agreed. That's what I said.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Murphy] #8460207
08/28/25 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Murphy
How is Wisconsin DNR's white-tailed deer management program working out?


not very good.
We have way too many deer in the southern (AG land) and some claim we have no deer in the north (forest land) due to wolves.

There are still deer in the north, they have moved to where they are relatively safe from wolves (around human habitations) for now.
So vast stretches of forest have predator issues and also habitat quality issues so very few deer. To improve habitat requires more logging.
To change predators requires Fed court.

In the south deer herd needs thinning, its just to thick, 25/sq mile approx, when a good range is less than 10/ sq mile.
Deer damage the environment, too much browse pressure.


In all fairness a tough nut to crack.

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